Bad game or played badly, lost much!!!

[ZeeBabar]

Yesterday was a bad day!!! Played $25 DD and 6 deck games. The Dd game was h17, no surrender but all other options were available. Problem was that the dealers were meticulously cutting 1 deck off. My beginning bet was either $25 on one or two hands. While my top bet was $250. However, I think I was screwing up in the middle counts. I only increased my bet when TC was Plus 2. Thus, after first round to 2-3 people, if the RC was 3 I was not upping my bet and at TC2, only going for $50, going higher only after TC3 and up.

I played the 6 deck and here too, I think I was not moving to $50 till TC2. The higher counts came too infrequently. I was also not wonging out until TC-3.

All in all a bad day in St. Louis.

[Ouchez]

Zee, I deck cut off and $25 min, don't like the sound of that, and h-17 to boot, NAH. If you do play DD you have to side count the aces, if you can't handle that do not play.

Zee, you need some tutoring, there are some very experienced players here from your city, area.

Best,
O

[Intermediate]

I agree with O. With one deck cut off of a 2D game, you stand very little chance of getting enough high count opportunities, especially with any other players, plus you would have to have an aggressive ramp. Best to make it a part of your normal operating mode to avoid those conditions.

[21forme]

Zee, you need some tutoring, there are some very experienced players here from your city, area.

He's had some tutoring, but either he's a troll or he just doesn't get it.

The reason he's posting here, he's been pretty much ostracized from BJ21, asking the same questions over and over, then posting his same dumbazz mistakes over and over.

Zee, last time you encountered almost an identical situation, I (and others) told you on BJ21 that playing a DD game with other players is a bad idea, unless the pen is unusually good. A 50% cut is terrible and you shouldn't even play that one heads up.

Like many others already have done, this is my last response to you. You seem to be ineducable, so I'm not going to waste any more time on you.

[ZeeBabar]

He's had some tutoring, but either he's a troll or he just doesn't get it.

The reason he's posting here, he's been pretty much ostracized from BJ21, asking the same questions over and over, then posting his same dumbazz mistakes over and over.

Zee, last time you encountered almost an identical situation, I (and others) told you on BJ21 that playing a DD game with other players is a bad idea, unless the pen is unusually good. A 50% cut is terrible and you shouldn't even play that one heads up.

Like many others already have done, this is my last response to you. You seem to be ineducable, so I'm not going to waste any more time on you.

Pretty much ostracized? Go check and you will see how many responses I receive to my questions. Moreover, go read how those PhD BJ players are being scolded by the listserv manager for their intimidation of posters, of how some cannot seem to ignore and move on. The other forum has a few members who try to drive away those of us in our learning stages. I refused to back off and it pisses some of but a majority, including Don S and others have been kind and responded.

second, in the post, I am simply reporting a bad day. My spouse had dropped me off at one casino with the River name in St. Louis and I was stuck there for 4 hours. The $10 minimum tables were crowded and there were no casinos within walking distance. Also, some very respectable players had indicated that sometimes tough games can be overcome with an aggressive attack but I was not aggressive enough.

You seem to be another who cannot simply delete or ignore those of us slow learners, YOU seem to have a need to assume others cannot make up their own mind, must have you to identify for them who is a troll and who is not. Sad!

for others, I do get help from some kind souls who PM me, but note that I was just reporting a bad day and admitting my mistakes.

[RS]

A 50% pen DD game is barely playable heads up. With any other players it makes it almost impossible. On top of that, if you're playing a sh***y game, you need to ramp up, fast.

In 6D, you should probably be wonging out around TC -1, especially if you don't have a big spread. If you have a monster spread, then you can get away with playing those negative counts.

In the end, I believe your big loss can be attributed to variance.

[Zach Black]

21forme is not exaggerating

I'll go back to my popcorn.

[22 Dreams]

21forme is actually understating the Zeesaster.

Any popcorn left?

[bigplayer]

Bad game. h17 double decks not dealt to a minimum of 60% of the deck (40% cutoff) are essentially unplayable unless you can use a shoe type strategy (i.e., 1-8 spread and never playing counts worse than -1 (OR) 1-16 type spread *mostly* play-all. I don't know of many casinos that would allow that which is why you usually shouldn't bother trying. You won't even get a 1% edge spreading 1-8 like a computer on a center cut h17 double deck game.

[code red]

Bad game. h17 double decks not dealt to a minimum of 60% of the deck (40% cutoff) are essentially unplayable unless you can use a shoe type strategy (i.e., 1-8 spread and never playing counts worse than -1 (OR) 1-16 type spread *mostly* play-all. I don't know of many casinos that would allow that which is why you usually shouldn't bother trying. You won't even get a 1% edge spreading 1-8 like a computer on a center cut h17 double deck game.

Yup and variance would be through the roof.

[ZeeBabar]

Happy to report that I played better DD. Games in Tunica yesterday, going down as much as $2200 and then climbing back, recovering and winning $690 over it. The advantage in the larger casinos at Tunica and the greater number of tables open for July 4th is that I could leave for another table in another pit area for better penetration. I won big at one table where I was sitting on 3rd base and was able to see the bottom card as some of the dealers were careless in picking up the shuffled deck. The 1-2 Asian players did not want to cut and I could consistently cut big card into the game and small card out.

wonder the advantage in that play?

I am am only down $1300 after the disaster in St. Louis DD game where penetration was 1 deck. In Tunica, I played games where the penn was 65%. I also started playing with 2 hands of $25, going to one in negative counts and $125-$150 as max bets on 2 hands.

thanks to all those with constructive suggestions.

[Midwest Player]

Bad game. h17 double decks not dealt to a minimum of 60% of the deck (40% cutoff) are essentially unplayable unless you can use a shoe type strategy (i.e., 1-8 spread and never playing counts worse than -1 (OR) 1-16 type spread *mostly* play-all. I don't know of many casinos that would allow that which is why you usually shouldn't bother trying. You won't even get a 1% edge spreading 1-8 like a computer on a center cut h17 double deck game.

I have been winning at a shitty h17 double deck game cut most of the time at 50%. I hope this isn't just positive variance. I would like to think the game is beatable. I have been making a little better than $23 an hour at it so far this year which is probably more than expected value. I do use a large spread but most of the time the spread is no more than 1:20 but have gone as high as 1:80 which is quite rare.

[Bodarc]

According to CVCX each card in a H17 DD game added to penetration is very important. With a 20 spread and 43 card cut off SCORE is 52 and NO is 19,000. With a 50 card cut off SCORE is 37 and NO is 26,000. So it appears you must be exact in figuring your penetration and if you are going to spread to 20, it is imperative to keep your sessions short.

I played H17 DD yesterday with about 45 cut off (as best I could estimate) and spread 15 and wonged out about 30 to 40% of the worst counts and did well with 1 hr of play. Sometimes the casino rules against re-entry can be used to your advantage. I do not know how to configure CVCX so you can wong out a certain percentage of time.