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    Counting against a CSM...

    I know the post title sounds weird... but bear with me.
    There's a casino in my hometown that has very decent rules, but is all CSM.
    It's the only casino I have within 300 miles.
    This allows me to only play BJ when I travel.
    Last night I was at this casino and went into a VIP lounge they have for "big" players.
    I went to a high limit US dollars table that was empty and there were the dealer and the pit boss.
    I took out $5000 dollars (where I live thats quite a lot of money) and I told the pit boss that I would only play if they let all of the cards come out of the machine before feeding them back.
    Of course before I did that I had a conversation about how I thought those machines cheated, how I was about to bet big money, blah, blah, blah.
    The pit boss didnt even blinked before agreeing to my request.
    I suddenly find myself playing a 100% penetration game against a CSM...
    I started playing and shortly after I started I faked a phone call and told him I had to leave on an emergency, but that I would definetely come back.
    The reason I left is because I wanted to check if this is a good situation I got going on...
    The machines they use are the One2Six with 4D.
    Any special considerations you think I should take into mind before playing this?
    Specially regarding the shuffle, since i have no idea what happens once they put the cards back in the machine.
    Thanks!

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    If they are dealing all the cards out it really is no longer a CSM. You are playing a 4 deck game with 100% penetration. Well done.

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    Lucky you . . . . I would think the only consideration would be as to when they were likely to catch on, or whether other floor supervisors would agree to your request in the future? Enjoy!

    Posted as an afterthought . . . . enjoy and take full advantage of while you can, as it can't possibly last.
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    What the ..... ????? Ha ha ha ,Joke of the day!!Anything can happen!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stopgambling View Post
    What the ..... ????? Ha ha ha ,Joke of the day!!Anything can happen!!
    I appreciate your scepticism, but here in the UK I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that if a punter pulled out 5k in notes and dropped them on the felt, but said they'd only play if the cards were dealt out in full, that a call would be made to the duty manager. Not even one of the floor supervisors in a UK casino would take it upon themselves to turn something like that down without referring it. I'm surprised it was agreed to in the States (I assume - $s?) though where casino staff are far more counter savvy? But in the UK (where the casino staff are generally clueless about the finer points of the games they deal/offer) I'd reserve judgement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UK-21 View Post
    I appreciate your scepticism, but here in the UK I don't think it's beyond the realms of possibility that if a punter pulled out 5k in notes and dropped them on the felt, but said they'd only play if the cards were dealt out in full, that a call would be made to the duty manager. Not even one of the floor supervisors in a UK casino would take it upon themselves to turn something like that down without referring it. I'm surprised it was agreed to in the States (I assume - $s?) though where casino staff are far more counter savvy? But in the UK (where the casino staff are generally clueless about the finer points of the games they deal/offer) I'd reserve judgement.
    I'm not from the States... and just in case, this didn't happen there either!

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