Interesting stories. Player interaction is what makes what we do fun. Theres an infinite amount of player personalities.
Playing DD. Started with 2 hands and when it went negative enough I dropped to 1 hand. Whenever I dropped to one hand other guy would jump out. So I switched my strategy. When count went nice n high I'd stack one bet atop the other. He'd jump out and I get all the high cards for myself!
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You must be referring to Poker.Originally Posted by Tthree
You all might not believe this but I can annoy people at times.It is pretty easy to get people to leave by simply finding what bugs them and subtly tweaking that nerve repeatedly. Lots of little psychological games going on at the table. You just need to be able to tell if it is working or not.
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There's a group of 5 "advantage players" at my local joint, they are basically regulars that are flirting on the fine line of getting tossed out. One session, they were playing big money for a $5 table and were killing it. I played 3rd base as I prefer, and was betting a very modest spread as at that time I barely knew how to count and was just getting into the bet spread of things. These 5 played 3 positions with two buddies behind them "cheering them on". They were not counting on ANY system that I "knew" of, but must have been using a very rudimentary side count of Aces or some other denomination card, because they were doing rather well, even in some negative counts. They kept changing up the number of hands they were playing based on the cards coming out, and basing their bets on some kind of weird ass progression system emphasizing doubling up a first win, then (from what I could tell) pressing 50% 2nd win, 25% 3-5th win, then scaling down after a fifth win.
So anyways, these guys are playing, I'm playing near perfect basic strategy as the TC is negative and I'm there solely to grind out some experience. I "save" them like 4 or 5 different times in one shoe, to their total of nearly $2,000 between the three of them over those hands alone, like I said, big money for a $5 table. They know I'm playing nearly perfect basic strategy as there were discussion about "by the book" plays and whatnot. So at the very end of the shoe on a deep penetration 6D game, the TC goes wildly positive, I put two hands out there and one of those guys looks at me and he's like "Are you sure you want to play an additional hand on the table?" and after I said yes, and he second guessed me again, I emphasized yes with the reasoning being "Its the last hand of the shoe and I'm behind 20 bucks (ratholed 60), gotta bet big to win big". Tossed two hands out there for $30 each, first hand gets a blackjack, second hand gets A,7 and I double. The guys have Soft 18 (no hit), 19, 20, and 17. The BP of this group looks at me and goes "why would you hit that?". I rolled my eyes. Dealer draws 21, turns my card over for a 21 push, they lose like $450 bucks and get really pissy. Dealer backs me up that it was a "by the book" play and they say "But why would you do that with this much money on the table?". "It was the by the book play" as I colored up my chips and left.
Reason I bring this up, anytime I see them on the 5/10 tables now, and I sit down, they get up and leave. So that's one really easy way to manipulate guys to move. I did this tonight on a VERY juicy table (TC+3) and ended up playing 2 hands against the dealer heads up for an entire shoe with the TC always staying positive, it was a bloodbath
The comments about farting were mostly tongue in cheek. I haven't actually done this, YET. However, if someone threatens to "knock you upside your head." As someone once suggested, (Remember?) you can say "Be sure to smile for the camera."
They sound like progression betting ploppies not AP's. Winning most of the time doesn't make you an AP. Most progressions are designed to win most of the time but the rest of the time wipes out all their wins and then some. At first I though they might be card steering or tracking but at the end of this I think progression betting ploppy sounds a little more likely.
Sounds like progression betting to me so "tossing them out" would be the dumbest thing the casino could do. They are a serious cash cow in the longer haul of it all. Buy those guys a steak dinner and keep them playing is more like it!
Last edited by Tarzan; 06-22-2014 at 11:22 AM.
That's why I put advantage player in quotes, to give it that "air quote" effect, because I knew they weren't keeping a count that I knew about, as sometimes (I've seen in a few sessions) these guys bet pretty big in deep negative counts.
That being said, whatever they are doing is working, because these guys have murdered my local joint 3 days a week for about 3-4 weeks now. I'm wondering if they aren't trying to incorporate some kind of Progressive betting system into a grifters gambit style of card eating, while side counting Aces or something. I haven't gotten to the bottom of it yet, but they are starting to get on the tail end of what I'd be comfortable calling positive variance, any more and there's got to be something else going on here.
These guys are very confident about what they are doing, but very timid about bankroll from what I can tell. I don't think they'd risk taking any loss outside of initial buy in. What I do know is, they don't bet spread positive with a positive count, or negative with a negative, and they don't play basic under negative counts. I find it very, very odd, and they play 3 card as well (much smaller wager by comparison to their BJ hand play) which immediately signaled to me they weren't counters, but then their winnings keeps drawing me back to question what it is they truly are doing. I've personally never heard of anything quite like what they are doing. Holecarding is out of the question, backcounting is possible, but they again don't follow a paired spread when positive or negative. I guess it couldn't hurt to study them more.
Oh, also T, these guys are probably up about 15-20K on the joint this month, I'd probably buy them steak too.
There is something that comes to mind with your crew that plays in this odd manner but then again who knows they might be doing some voodoo progression or whatever. People can be totally nuts and a month's worth of action doesn't define a whole lot. Speaking of nuts, a man walks into the Psychiatrist's office wearing only underwear made of "Saranwrap". The doctor strolls out into the lobby, sees him there and says, "I see your nuts."
In all seriousness about other players at the table, it happens. You may try to curb it, avoid it or act nuts enough to chase others off the table but other players have a way of popping up on you. For me, when it comes to avoiding too many other players there is no consideration or obligation to other players, moral, ethical or otherwise, no code of conduct for anything I may say or any behaviors I may use to get them off my table and away from me, sorry MHB. If they don't wish to hear about my explorations of polyps on vaginal walls then they're just going to have to find another table is all!
Ever had a player that follows you from table to table? Over the years I've seen some varying odd behavior among gamblers having to do with superstition, voodoo, etc. Upsetting the "sacred flow of the cards" is a great way to chase someone off your table if you're not into the idea of telling them that you are patient zero of the zombie apocalypse. Simply split your 10's and when it causes the whole table to lose you reinforce their selective memory by chuckling about it and pointing out that you tipped the scale for the whole table (if they haven't already). At that point you can add that this is how blackjack has gone for you lately and it seems like every table you're at not only do you lose but the whole table loses. Start going on and on about your horrible luck and it seems as if there's a black cloud following you that also affects everyone you seem to play alongside, unfortunately. Then you will identify yourself as something just as deadly as a SARS like virus to gamblers... horribly unlucky and it may be contagious!!! About 10 minutes of the right rhetoric after splitting those 10's and you can often lose some unwanted additional players.
Last edited by Tarzan; 06-24-2014 at 03:36 AM.
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