Lowest min tables in Vegas?

**smatchemosmall** · 06-18-2014, 04:08 PM

So I have been practicing my counting now for a few months (REKO 6D) and am off to Vegas to try and see if I can do it in a live setting. I don't have the largest bankroll and while I don't mind a decently high RoR, I'd like to play as small minimums as possible, especially considering this is my first time. Anyone have recommendations for good casinos with low minimums? $10 is fine and $5 would be amazing, I'm used to AC where you struggle to find minimums below $15 on some nights.

Thanks,
Andrew

**Shoofly** · 06-18-2014, 04:45 PM

Easy to find, especially off strip. Be sure to be watch for 6/5 and CSM at low min. tables.

**Blitzkrieg** · 06-18-2014, 08:57 PM

May the stars shine on you, good luck!

RS · 06-18-2014, 09:23 PM

Station casinos and casinos on boulder strip (Sam's Town, East side cannery, bighorn, jokers wild, club fortune) have $5 min and some have $3 min.

**Exoter175** · 06-18-2014, 10:44 PM

Binions had a 3/2 6D H17 $5 table or two when I was there a few months back, not sure on the rest of their rules. The Nugget had one at off-peak hours for $5 (3/2), and if you ask when they change it, they'll grandfather your minimum in until you get off the table or re-buy. I did not see one at 4Qs, Vegas Club, The D, or Plaza while I was there. Caesars, Belagio, MGM, TI, Royale, Venetian, etc. were all 10/15 mins, but that's the strip for you.

**Exoter175** · 06-18-2014, 10:46 PM

Also, I wouldn't advise going to Vegas as your "test" for whether you could do it in a live setting. Trust me, its worth the drive out to some place much closer (if you have one closer) to see if you can handle it. I thought I was ready and definitely was not, lost count maybe 1/6th the way into the shoe and had to guess thereafter. It was a disaster for the counting process, made a little money and chalked it up to pure luck.

**Three** · 06-19-2014, 04:28 AM

Originally Posted by Exoter175

lost count maybe 1/6th the way into the shoe and had to guess thereafter.

If you lose the count either leave the table or play min bet BS without counting. Mistakes counting are very costly. Guessing is accepting a mistake and risking whatever the cost. Sometimes the cost will be huge either in lost opportunity or lost money.

**AP360** · 06-19-2014, 06:41 AM

Agree, if/when you lose count... You leave, period. You get up and switch tables. If you remain there not knowing the required information then you're just gambling, like the rest of the ploppies.

edit - unless there's a particular reason why your "specific seat" at "that" specific table is of importance, in which case I defer to Ttthree 's judgement and just flat-bet mins with BS.

However, in context of OP, it is a fairly high chance that you did not need to be at that particular seat/table.

**muffdiver** · 06-19-2014, 07:05 AM

Leaving the table is usually the best option for lost counts but if you had (for example) a +15 to +20RC before and a fair idea as to what the change has been, stay and use a lower ramp if you think it dropped and higher if it went up.

**22 Dreams** · 06-19-2014, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by smatchemosmall

So I have been practicing my counting now for a few months (REKO 6D) and am off to Vegas to try and see if I can do it in a live setting. I don't have the largest bankroll and while I don't mind a decently high RoR, I'd like to play as small minimums as possible, especially considering this is my first time. Anyone have recommendations for good casinos with low minimums? $10 is fine and $5 would be amazing, I'm used to AC where you struggle to find minimums below $15 on some nights.

Thanks,
Andrew

If you're limited to the Strip, it could work if it's during the week and you play in the morning and mid afternoon, but not on weekends when the table mins are raised. If you're renting a car, then off strip is the way to go.

I hope you do better than I did lol when I was in your exact position, practicing REKO and headed to Vegas for the first time. Seems like a lifetime ago.

1) Relax--you're not breaking the law and nobody is paying attention to you playing low stakes shoes (I thought the universe was focused on me).

2) Have your cash organized: know where it is and how much. If you run into a bad shoe, you may be pulling out more than you expect.

3) When you win, there's no need to tip--especially given the lack of appreciation by LV dealers.

4) Once you're outside of the casino (or in the restroom), make some notes about the session. What do you need to do better?

Enjoy!

**Exoter175** · 06-19-2014, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

If you lose the count either leave the table or play min bet BS without counting. Mistakes counting are very costly. Guessing is accepting a mistake and risking whatever the cost. Sometimes the cost will be huge either in lost opportunity or lost money.

When I say I lost it, I mean, I couldn't remember if I had deducted a single card from my count of which I "thought" ended at +14, so I took a deduction and went with +13 to err on the side of caution. I wasn't going to get up from this one due to count and due to the fact that I needed hands on training on a cheap cheap table more than anything. Worked out alright.

Originally Posted by AP360

Agree, if/when you lose count... You leave, period. You get up and switch tables. If you remain there not knowing the required information then you're just gambling, like the rest of the ploppies.

edit - unless there's a particular reason why your "specific seat" at "that" specific table is of importance, in which case I defer to Ttthree 's judgement and just flat-bet mins with BS.

However, in context of OP, it is a fairly high chance that you did not need to be at that particular seat/table.

Count was too high and the question was of a single card deduction, not the entirety of the hands dealt.

Originally Posted by muffdiver

Leaving the table is usually the best option for lost counts but if you had (for example) a +15 to +20RC before and a fair idea as to what the change has been, stay and use a lower ramp if you think it dropped and higher if it went up.

That's almost exactly what I did there.

Originally Posted by 22 Dreams

If you're limited to the Strip, it could work if it's during the week and you play in the morning and mid afternoon, but not on weekends when the table mins are raised. If you're renting a car, then off strip is the way to go.

I hope you do better than I did lol when I was in your exact position, practicing REKO and headed to Vegas for the first time. Seems like a lifetime ago.

1) Relax--you're not breaking the law and nobody is paying attention to you playing low stakes shoes (I thought the universe was focused on me).

2) Have your cash organized: know where it is and how much. If you run into a bad shoe, you may be pulling out more than you expect.

3) When you win, there's no need to tip--especially given the lack of appreciation by LV dealers.

4) Once you're outside of the casino (or in the restroom), make some notes about the session. What do you need to do better?

Enjoy!

I cannot emphasize point #4 enough.

**smatchemosmall** · 06-19-2014, 02:13 PM

Thanks so much all, looks like I'll have to head off the strip as I'll only be there for the weekend. And yea definitely not playing any 6:5 BS as it seems that pretty much kills any advantage you can gain. I'll be sure to take notes and hopefully I can start helping others out on here!

**Three** · 06-19-2014, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by smatchemosmall

'll only be there for the weekend

Weekends are crowded. Each place has a time of day when it isn't crowded on any day of the week. Mid to late morning would be my guess but I am not familiar with Vegas so that is a guess. Be patient and pick your spots or backcount. There are also times of day when they open more tables. This usually gives a small window of opportunity. Sometimes you luck into a table closing scenario where they block off all the spots as people leave until everyone leaves. I don't see it much but you need good bladder control to keep your spot and eventually keep the table from closing once you are the only one left.