Ok thanks. 2x500 isnt the same as 500, thats my point. It's technically a 1, 000 wager, which is why I'm wondering if its too aggressive, I don't know if u were factoring that into your analysisOriginally Posted by KJ
Oh ok, I understood him, but was thinking when he mentioned 2 hands that he was referring to the previous notion of whether it was good going from 1 hand to 2 hands and was disregarding 2x500 and just referring to 1x500. All he did was mention 1x500 which is a lot different than 2x500
Last edited by ZenKinG; 06-11-2014 at 02:51 PM.
Nooooooooooo, don't bring ZK to my area of the woods! That being said, while the games aren't "terrible here", I wouldn't call them "good". 6D/2D H17, DOA/DAS, RSA, 3:2, no surrender is offered of any kind that I've seen around me. I know that there is a local "gem" nearby that you only hear about in passing by the cloak and daggers types, but on the whole, you can't sit on a 2D table with anything less than $50, sometimes you get lucky and they drop them to $25. Personally, I found better games at better wager increments on FSE in LV, unless you know of a gem I don't know about.YES!. Blackjack in Vegas is dead. Rather than move here, where there is much heat (on many levels) and no water, aspiring FT players should head to the Midwest where the good games are. Our Midwest contingent will welcome you to their backyard with open arms.(Mr O, might even put you up for a while....
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The only upside to the midwest IMO, aside from cost of living and such which is out of this world, is that ONE of those midwest states has a law protecting card counters.
I actually have a pretty good plan of attack that I think can last a long time. I just need to figure out what are the general shifts by surveillance and pit bosses? Is it 8am-4pm morning, 4pm-12pm afternoon, 12am-8am graveyard shift? What Im thinking about doing is some serious hit and run type play. Here's how it goes.
For Strip Casinos : (3 days a week)
One day I will play every single strip casino on morning shift, another day Ill play every casino during afternoon shift, another day every single casino on graveyard shift. Keep all the records in Excel and mix and match accordingly on where I need to go each and every day, etc. For each day, once I show my max bet just once in a particular casino, I'm out of there for the whole day and on to the next casino, so on and so forth. If I'm there for more than 2 hours in any casino and don't get to use my max bet, I will also leave as well and go to the next store.
Off-Strip casinos (2 days a week)
These casinos I will have more flexibility and was designed to be this way as off strip casinos are harder to stay under the radar. I can attack 3 different shifts in only 2 days. So I can alternate morning, afternoon, and graveyard shift. One week I can do just morning and graveyard. Another week I can do afternoon and graveyard or afternoon and morning etc. These casinos will be played the same way as strip casinos. Once I show my max bet Im out of there in a flash and on to the next.
I believe this way of playing is a good strategy as it only shows my face one time in each casino each week on that particular shift and for a very short time-frame as well. It's easy to log, very convenient, and should be able to log at least 30 hours a week of actual table time doing so with hopefully some longevity along the way.
Will be using Wong Halves close to Full Indices. Spread and max bet will be 2x50-2x400 wonging in at +1 and out at anything at 0.5 or less. In at +1 is more effective than at +2 because I will be standing around less, win rate is higher and N0 is lower; Standard deviation and risk of course will be slightly higher, but it's something I'm willing to live with as the positives at +1 outweigh the negatives from +2. Max bet will be around +4 with super max bet of 2x450 at +6. Will also mix and match play styles with playing off the top and wonging out as well. Play style and heat will also be recorded in the notes and adjust accordingly to how I will play in my next visit.
Thoughts, advice? Concerns? Thanks
Last edited by ZenKinG; 06-12-2014 at 11:15 AM.
The normal shifts for the floor personnel are 4am - Noon, Noon - 8pm, and 8pm - 4am but not all casinos use that schedule. Some stager the shifts by and hour either way. Have you been to Vegas yet? If not you need to go on a couple of trips there before trying to establish any kind of valid schedule. About half of the time the tables will either be packed or almost deserted so WI-WO method doesn't work so well. Also with NMS many people use the white rabbit approach. There are sweet spots like at noon and 8pm where new tables or pits are opened, the white rabbit is most effective.
It wouldn't be a good idea to back count at one place for two hours, you will stick out. Using WR, I will wong out 3-4 times before I move on to another pit or casino. Also, you will probably have to leave after getting to half max bet. You will begin to get noticed at around $200 if playing unrated. The PB will scurry over and hound you for a PC until you leave.
I would recommend that you get out there, get a feel for the atmosphere and formulate a plan of attack from there. Take lots of notes, test the limits and see what flies and what doesn't.
Those are just some thoughts,
DM
Last edited by DM21; 06-12-2014 at 01:52 PM.
Don't judge a man until you have walked a mile in his shoes, by then you are a mile away and have his shoes.
I have worked surveillance in my casino career for a couple of years and the times you mention are spot on. Can't say that every casino is the same but I have interacted with surveillance personnel in multiple casinos and can say that it would seem to me that they all had about the same schedule. I can remember calling up to them at each joint at somewhere around midnight and it was always a new crew.
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The first thing I would do is validate that you would get 30 hours a week of table time with your solo WI/WO strategy. If you assume you are playing 20 minutes of every hour you're "working", you would have to be actively working, not counting travel,meals, etc ., 90 hours a week on a sustained basis .
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