Harrahs Cherokee cheating at Blackjack

[Aslan]

Very big concern. Just want to point out that the Casino management read these forums also. So if you have confirming evidence then acting sooner rather than later is advised. Moved from that area of the US recently and visit occasionally.

It seems you just joined this forum. What are you trying to gain. If it is a problem contact the FBI today.

Will confirm the issue for myself soon.

Only in the highly improbable case where the cards are set to go off in a particular order (i.e., a stacked shoe constituting in-your-face cheating) would a dealer refuse to allow players to cut the cards. Since this was the second dealer, then the first dealer would also have to be complicit in the crime, maintaining a large slug of high cards behind the cut card.

A player cutting the cards is no-exception protocol and policy everywhere I have played, and if the OP has played all over the world for 25 years, then he knows I am exactly right and he would have demanded a cut; refusing to allow players to cut the cards alone is grounds for an FBI investigation, without all the other nonsense. It's the way the casino game of Blackjack is played.

I am slow to opine that a person is BS-ing, even when I suspect so, but I have no recourse in this case. This is either BS or the most brazen and unprecedented case of casino cheating I have heard to date. Even the mob of olden days would not show this much chutzpah (in the worse sense of the word). As far as I'm concerned

cc1.jpg ... the next time the OP posts about this case, it should be a letter from the FBI confirming that cheating occurred and that steps have been taken to punish the guilty and to ensure future compliance with the law, and thanking the alert citizen for bringing it to their attention... or don't bother posting at all. Hardly anyone ever goes on my ignore list, and then only temporarily, and I won't do it in this case either, but the OP is definitely on my suspect list for an unspecified period of time. Sorry, rivrat77, your story is difficult to swallow, even though I want to believe the best of you.

[rivrat77]

Only in the highly improbable case where the cards are set to go off in a particular order (i.e., a stacked shoe constituting in-your-face cheating) would a dealer refuse to allow players to cut the cards. Since this was the second dealer, then the first dealer would also have to be complicit in the crime, maintaining a large slug of high cards behind the cut card.

A player cutting the cards is no-exception protocol and policy everywhere I have played, and if the OP has played all over the world for 25 years, then he knows I am exactly right and he would have demanded a cut; refusing to allow players to cut the cards alone is grounds for an FBI investigation, without all the other nonsense. It's the way the casino game of Blackjack is played.

I am slow to opine that a person is BS-ing, even when I suspect so, but I have no recourse in this case. This is either BS or the most brazen and unprecedented case of casino cheating I have heard to date. Even the mob of olden days would not show this much chutzpah (in the worse sense of the word). As far as I'm concerned

cc1.jpg ... the next time the OP posts about this case, it should be a letter from the FBI confirming that cheating occurred and that steps have been taken to punish the guilty and to ensure future compliance with the law, and thanking the alert citizen for bringing it to their attention... or don't bother posting at all. Hardly anyone ever goes on my ignore list, and then only temporarily, and I won't do it in this case either, but the OP is definitely on my suspect list for an unspecified period of time. Sorry, rivrat77, your story is difficult to swallow.

I did just hear back from the head of security so after 7 eastern I will have a definitive answer. I know it sure is hard to swallow. But it sure happened.

[biggg]

They don't spread Spanish 21 there.

[Norm]

Casino cheating is a very serious charge, highly uncommon, and difficult to prove from anecdotal evidence. Far easier with online casinos where logs can be examined. It should also be noted that when a game is rigged, it is likely rigged by the dealer(s) unbeknownst to the casino. This can occur if the dealer is cheating with a confederate and wishes to make up for the casino's losses to reduce suspicion.

Threads observing possible cheating can be of value. But, to anyone poking into the forum, please keep in mind that these posts are the opinions of anonymous posters.

[rivrat77]

Casino cheating is a very serious charge, highly uncommon, and difficult to prove from anecdotal evidence. Far easier with online casinos where logs can be examined. It should also be noted that when a game is rigged, it is likely rigged by the dealer(s) unbeknownst to the casino. This can occur if the dealer is cheating with a confederate and wishes to make up for the casinos losses to reduce suspicion.

Threads observing possible cheating can be of value. But, to anyone poking into the forum, please keep in mind that these posts are the opinions of anonymous posters.

That makes total sense.

[Member Name Hidden]

Just got back from playing this place.
The rumors are all false. The shoes are
fine. They are not short and counts
where evenly distributed. This obviously
was a post to protect this place. There isn't
much to protect though main floor is h17 and
first high limit area is 50 min h17. There is heat
once you start winning but honestly this is the furthest
thing I have seen from cheating. They are honest as
hell there but don't expect to win a lot quick there. (depends on your definition of a lot)
people need to stop with these posts because I would
of never went to this place if it wasn't brought up here.
If someone mentions cheating the place either cheats or is
a candy shop. I booked the first flight out when I read this thread
so whoever was trying to protect this place did the wrong thing by drawing
attention to it. Not much to protect though but I could
see someone liking this place if there max is 200-450.
My opinion is some newbish red chip or low green chipper made this
post to keep other counters away. They don't realize there never going to
get heat at their bet levels. Place doesn't handle big action well for long periods
and you will get backed off or barred if you win what they consider a lot in a short period.

[Ouchez]

Just got back from playing this place.
The rumors are all false. The shoes are
fine. They are not short and counts
where evenly distributed. This obviously
was a post to protect this place. There isn't
much to protect though main floor is h17 and
first high limit area is 50 min h17. There is heat
once you start winning but honestly this is the furthest
thing I have seen from cheating. They are honest as
hell there but don't expect to win a lot quick there. (depends on your definition of a lot)
people need to stop with these posts because I would
of never went to this place if it wasn't brought up here.
If someone mentions cheating the place either cheats or is
a candy shop. I booked the first flight out when I read this thread
so whoever was trying to protect this place did the wrong thing by drawing
attention to it. Not much to protect though but I could
see someone liking this place if there max is 200-450.
My opinion is some newbish red chip or low green chipper made this
post to keep other counters away. They don't realize there never going to
get heat at their bet levels. Place doesn't handle big action well for long periods
and you will get backed off or barred if you win what they consider a lot in a short period.

Thank you for checking. The OP will now disappear, as he-she-should, having lost all credibility and respect.

O

[21forme]

Just got back from playing this place.
The rumors are all false. The shoes are
fine. They are not short and counts
where evenly distributed.

Very credible report from an anonymous poster.

[Norm]

Very credible report from an anonymous poster.

Not anonymous to us. I have no problems with the poster's credibility.

[Three]

Not anonymous to us.

I am sure the poster is familiar with 21, the game.

[21forme]

Not anonymous to us. I have no problems with the poster's credibility.

Good enough for me, thanks.

I am sure the poster is familiar with 21, the game.

How are you sure? Are you a moderator with access to the "behind the scenes" info?

[Three]

I suspected but it was really more of an attempt to be punny.

[SURFER]

What a wasted of time!