Harrahs Cherokee cheating at Blackjack

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 12:27 PM

Originally Posted by ZenKinG

By the way, how many aces came out? Aces are high cards as well, and with a running count of 26 with one deck left, it is not guaranteed you will see 10s, as long as aces still come out, it's not that unusual. How many aces came out? Maybe the running count of 26 was very ace rich.

All that came out were 789s past that point. No aces and maybe 3 or four face cards maybe.

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by RobinHood21

If you don't know casino personnel can easily sign up for this forum. For example, myself. Now if you actually have or had a case it is probably gone if they catch wind if your accusations.

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Let me again assure you. I have contacted Caesars management about this and could care less if they know already. I do have proof. Can back every word up. If I couldnt I never would have said a word much less name names.

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by Aslan

The FBI is probably the best investigative body to which to report these alleged crimes. But FYI:

The Indian Gaming Regulatory Act (Pub.L. 100–497, 25 U.S.C. § 2701 et seq.) is a 1988 United States federal law that establishes the jurisdictional framework that governs Indian gaming. There was no federal gaming structure before this act.[1] The stated purposes of the act include providing a legislative basis for the operation/regulation of Indian gaming, protecting gaming as a means of generating revenue for the tribes, encouraging economic development of these tribes, and protecting the enterprises from negative influences (such as organized crime).[2] The law established the National Indian Gaming Commission and gave it a regulatory mandate. The law also delegated new authority to the U.S. Department of the Interior and created new federal offenses, giving the U.S. Department of Justice authority to prosecute them.

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The Act's purpose is to provide a statutory basis for the operation of gaming by tribes to promote tribal economic development, self-sufficiency, and strong tribal governments. IGRA provides a basis for the regulation of Indian gaming adequate to: shield it from organized crime and corrupting influences; ensure that the tribe is the primary beneficiary of gaming revenues; and ensure Indian gaming operations are fair and honest for the operator and the players.

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In February 2003, in an effort to identify and direct resources to Indian gaming matters, the FBI and NIGC created the Indian Gaming Work Group (IGWG). The IGWG's purpose is to identify resources needed to address the most pressing criminal violations in the area of Indian gaming.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_...Regulatory_Act

Thank you ever so much!

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 12:35 PM

Originally Posted by smallcapgrowth

by the way, this is coming from a person that does believe casinos cheat 100 percent on a very very small scale especially if they are 100 percent sure you are an advantage player if they are a real small shop that can't handle the swings you bring to the table by being there. I jsut started a thread on this at bj21, but i didn't name casinos cause my thoughts where just acusations and they were pretty weak at that.

I doubt big casinos are going to risk everything to cheat some red chip and green chippers.

You would sure think that. As brazen and obvious as it was. Trust me I was not just blown away but thought I was in some bad nightmare.

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 12:38 PM

Originally Posted by rivrat77

You would sure think that. As brazen and obvious as it was. Trust me I was not just blown away but thought I was in some bad nightmare.

I play large stakes blackjack. The only reason we sat at this table was my fiance is learning the game. What a way to start.

**muckz** · 06-02-2014, 01:16 PM

Do you actually have proof of there not being enough cards? or did you see more than there should be of a certain rank/suit? its not all just because the count was high right?

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 01:18 PM

Originally Posted by smallcapgrowth

i call bullshit. I have had crazy counts for 3 hours. I have had extremely negative counts for 3 hours. I woudln't start this thread with out more data and i def wouldn't have named casino if i wasn't 100 percent sure.

There is one person in this thread that im concerned thinking this happened to them but the rest of the people i dont' buy. The one person never named the casino orginally which makes it more belivable then other people just making cheating comments at the stores they play regularly.

Let me say this. It was so blatant that after 2 shoes I told my fiance to stand up. Its not like Im bitter from loosing a penny. Ive won and lost my fair share. By naming the property I do want everyone in the real blackjack community to be aware of it. Not some disgruntled employee. Was my first and last trip to Cherokee I promise ya.

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 01:20 PM

Originally Posted by muckz

Do you actually have proof of there not being enough cards? or did you see more than there should be of a certain rank/suit? its not all just because the count was high right?

My fiance counted 8 9s at one point on the table at once. Not unheard of by no means. To answer your questions yes. It was full of twos 9s 6s and aces mainly.Few face cards. Half of all the face cards were gone yes.

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 01:21 PM

Originally Posted by rivrat77

My fiance counted 8 9s at one point on the table at once. Not unheard of by no means. To answer your questions yes. It was full of twos 9s 6s and aces mainly.Few face cards. Half of all the face cards were gone yes.

I also noticed it being red heavy.

**muckz** · 06-02-2014, 01:24 PM

Originally Posted by rivrat77

I also noticed it being red heavy.

You didn't look in the discard tray after a shoe and notice that there were 10-20 less cards or something?
And I meant you actually saw 7 Heart 6's instead of the usual 6 Heart 6's

Or whatever deck amount this game was

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by muckz

You didn't look in the discard tray after a shoe and notice that there were 10-20 less cards or something?
And I meant you actually saw 7 Heart 6's instead of the usual 6 Heart 6's

I asked the manager to see the cards face up since it was a hand shuffled shoe. Was told no. I wonder why. And yes. Once she did stand up I could tell it was not a full deck of course. Looked more like a 4 deck shoot. I wanted so bad to just walk up to the table and say look. Lets see the cards. But being on Indian land was not about to.

**ZenKinG** · 06-02-2014, 01:30 PM

Rivrat you keep contradicting yourself. You say aces came out, then you say aces never came out, now you said again that aces came out. I'm starting to get skeptical of you. You have never had any posts up till this thread and am starting to think you're just a troll or a disgruntled employee from cherokee

**rivrat77** · 06-02-2014, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by rivrat77

I asked the manager to see the cards face up since it was a hand shuffled shoe. Was told no. I wonder why. And yes. Once she did stand up I could tell it was not a full deck of course. Looked more like a 4 deck shoot. I wanted so bad to just walk up to the table and say look. Lets see the cards. But being on Indian land was not about to.

In one hand. There were 8 9s in play. There were already 22 gone by a quarter of the shoe.