If this is true, thank you very very much.Originally Posted by Mickey
Haha, my records of course. With that being said, in Ian's book he talks about how the camera sees everything anyway so I got the impression trying to hide chips would just arouse more suspicion to them anyway. I must be missing something on this topic I'm sure of it. :-/
(Although in the beginning I did hide chips often before reading that part. Also some of that profit is from other casinos across the country)
The trouble with red chipping is they make you as an AP and let you play until you have enough to be a threat. Betting $100 or more gets you more scrutiny and make it more likely you never get to bet green. That is why you were advised to bet $95 rather than $100. You don't want to burn the games you want to play at larger amounts before you get to play the larger amounts.
Out of all the players that come and go all day they actually spend their time going out of their way to track people like that? Especially when they play unrated? Interesting.
When you say by picture: are we talking facial recognition or a little mugshot of me thumb-tacked to a cork-board somewhere? Heh...
Last edited by Mickey; 05-20-2014 at 06:23 PM.
A picture in the computer for the spot you are playing. The Floor is supposed to be able to remember people. They can make up whatever name they want for you. You play enough and all the made up names merge into one profile.
At your able they might have several rated players in by swiping their card along with white guy with mustache, snake tattoo and guy in the green shirt. They might give each a nickname. If they are interested in you the might get a photo from the security EITS. the interest may be just that you bet large enough and have nothing to do with AP. Each casino has its way of doing this. Lets's say you ask for a comp at the end of your session. The only way they can do something for you is to have you in the system. Some places won't give you a comp unless you first get a players card but once you do they can use the info identifying you by a simple description or photo to comp you. I play a small independent casino that uses pictures for every player at the table. They casinos all have cameras everywhere. Every dealer calls out your buy-in as new buy if you are new at the table. The Floor gives you a designation. At this little joint your picture is on the computer screen. they take your picture when you get a card and when you cash chips. The cameras are little orb shaped things right in front of you.
You might think it would be a sweatshop but it is the least sweaty place I play other than all the ridiculous and ineffective countermeasures they take. You never know what kind of pen will await you on each visit. Even if it is crappy you can find certain dealers that are so inept they can't add several cards and get a total close to the right total. You could play the CSMs at a huge advantage with the right dealer. One is so bad I would flat bet my max bet at a CSM. Most are bad. The place has the sweatiest feel and with the pictures and cameras everywhere and the CSMs and discard tray covers for the few ASM games they have but nobody has a clue there. It is like the beaches on D-Day that had the fake guns and were not defended it was all for show. The Germans couldn't fortify all the beaches so they had some that look really bad but had no real fortifications. Other casinos look the same or not as threatening but in reality they are like Omaha beach on D-Day.
You think your initial label as a red-chip player lasts forever? As a red chipper you'll be lucky to be rated. You won't start to get scrutiny until you're putting $300 or more on the table at one time or betting black chips. Cover for red chip/low green chip players is a waste of time (except maybe on single deck) and even then you don't need much.
It does depend on the level of action in the casino though. At somewhere like say the cal Neva in Reno a $60 bet would have the pit surrounded by suits, if they wore suits at the cal Neva, since most people are betting 3-5 a hand. Other stores take 2x300 in green like it is nothing but betting a single black chip would bring attention.
That is exactly what they do. I have a friend who works the pit, who told me, at his casino, they use descriptive feature that are permanent like tattoos, but also often say something like "resembles...insert famous celebrity". I don't know if that was specific to his casino, or is a industry practice, but it seems like a poor way of doing it as one pit person may think you resemble someone, while another might not.So try not to resemble anyone famous.
Bigplayer is exactly right. Don't need me to tell you that he usually is, but my personal experiences, matched this exactly. I played a small rotation in AC for 4+ years at the red/green chip level. Starting out spreading $5-$50, and then $10-100 & $10-120, and then $15-150. None of these spreads and amounts drew any attention. I played the same small rotation against the same faces day after day, week after week, for 4 1/2 years, with no heat what-so-ever. Then I went up in stakes to green/black, spreading $25-200, which is not really that much higher than my $15-150, but the green/black, as opposed to the red/green, was like night and day. I immediately began to draw attention, heat, half shoeing and bet restrictions, where they would pull the $5-$50 bet limit card. Same faces that for years weren't concerned or bothered with me. At that moment, I realized the difference in bet levels and that I needed a bigger rotation of stores.
i know for a fact that they use license plate 'research' as i was backed off - by name - at a cherry DD game a few years ago and I always play unrated...prob was there was nowhere else to park but their lot - it is on an "island"!
if anyone knows the game, unfortunately, they know it is long gone
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