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    I think I'd be a bit suspicious if I received an offer from Uston or Revere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    If Wong, Uston, Revere, or Hyland were to offer you a course in BJ how much value would you put on the course?
    Not much.
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    If Wong, Uston, Revere, or Hyland were to offer you a course in BJ how much value would you put on the course?
    It really depends! Ken Uston is known as one of the best blackjack players. I don't know how well he will make me know the stuff. When it comes to learning I have a real story to tell and it is related to value on a course. In college I was an undergraduate student at the time. I was taking a chemistry course. The professor of the course was one of the best professor in the college. When he was teaching he show us how good, how well, and how proficient he knew the material. One thing he didn't realize is that the students are not knowing the stuff he is teaching. Failing exams and quizzes. Lucky, there was a teaching assistance (TA) to the class who teaches recitation. When the TA reteach the materials the professor tough I finally understood the material and felt like I learned more in recitation that I learn in all the professor lecture sessions. Afterwards, I realized the TA was only three years older than my age.

    Okay, what I am trying to say when it comes to courses is I DON'T CARE how good the other person is teaching the course. All I worry about is how they will make me know the material well and get proficient at it. Most of the time some people claim to be the best but when it comes to passing on their knowledge to other people they suck and often resulting in the other person forgetting the stuffs they learned. This is not a good sign!

    When I asked is an author reputable I want to make sure they are really offering a strong, powerful and legitimate method and not just a fraudulent scheme to make quick profit. I want to make sure the strategies tough in the course is high in quality. I haven't heard a lot about Frank but the fact that he is a promoter of speed count. It is to my knowledge that some experts don't think speed count is really strong.
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    I had a professor that wanted to make sure you understood that your college diploma meant through a bunch of material at me so I can teach it to myself. If he talked about it in a lecture or it was discussed in the TA's optional workshop it was not on the test. All his tests were open book and open note. I always ask questions if I don't understand something. I suck at memorizing but could understand almost any concept. I learned it was really important to ask questions about what you didn't want to be tested on in his class. LOL I can't even remember for sure what he taught. I think it was Engineering graphics but I am not sure. I did learn to teach myself from reference material which was really what he tried to teach. I did very well on his tests and I learned some of what I displayed on the test during the test. Learning to quickly find what you need in reference material was important.

    Anyway, someone's expertise is not necessarily correlated to their ability to teach. I had one genius prof that was such a bad teacher I didn't attend any lectures because it just confused the h*ll out of me. I just read the material and tried to help the rest of the lost sheep to understand it. The worst part was the TA could hardly speak any English but the workshop was still clearer than the lectures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    I had a professor that wanted to make sure you understood that your college diploma meant through a bunch of material at me so I can teach it to myself. If he talked about it in a lecture or it was discussed in the TA's optional workshop it was not on the test. All his tests were open book and open note. I always ask questions if I don't understand something. I suck at memorizing but could understand almost any concept. I learned it was really important to ask questions about what you didn't want to be tested on in his class. LOL I can't even remember for sure what he taught. I think it was Engineering graphics but I am not sure. I did learn to teach myself from reference material which was really what he tried to teach. I did very well on his tests and I learned some of what I displayed on the test during the test. Learning to quickly find what you need in reference material was important.

    Anyway, someone's expertise is not necessarily correlated to their ability to teach. I had one genius prof that was such a bad teacher I didn't attend any lectures because it just confused the h*ll out of me. I just read the material and tried to help the rest of the lost sheep to understand it. The worst part was the TA could hardly speak any English but the workshop was still clearer than the lectures.
    That's ashamed! You pay all these money and you end teaching yourself the material and the stuff you mention happen a lot in college. I don't want the same experience in those Golden Touch craps courses being offer if I choose to take it. Probably not!

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    That's what a college degree is supposed to say you can do. If they spoon feed you like in lower schools you haven't learned what you are supposed to learn in college and that's the ability to learn from reference material. You get a job and they don't have to spend much time training you because you can train yourself for the most part if they give you the reference material.

    That is not the purpose of the GT course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    That's what a college degree is supposed to say you can do. If they spoon feed you like in lower schools you haven't learned what you are supposed to learn in college and that's the ability to learn from reference material. You get a job and they don't have to spend much time training you because you can train yourself for the most part if they give you the reference material.

    That is not the purpose of the GT course.
    Well I guess that's the different between east and the west. The eastern world has a different philosophy about college education. They don't spoon but their approach to education is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    I think I'd be a bit suspicious if I received an offer from Uston or Revere.
    After reading your online book you should know Norm with your past meetings with Revere. I basically used those names as an example. Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't he hold out a card or two so that you were always off on your count when you did one-on-one instruction with him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong but wouldn't he hold out a card or two so that you were always off on your count when you did one-on-one instruction with him?
    That's what one person says. A person not known for honesty. I retract that statement.
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    Okay, what I am trying to say when it comes to courses is I DON'T CARE how good the other person is teaching the course. All I worry about is how they will make me know the material well and get proficient at it. Most of the time some people claim to be the best but when it comes to passing on their knowledge to other people they suck and often resulting in the other person forgetting the stuffs they learned. This is not a good sign!

    I haven't heard a lot about Frank but the fact that he is a promoter of speed count. It is to my knowledge that some experts don't think speed count is really strong.
    If you want something your going to have to put something into it such as time. Nobody is going to make you learn anything and be proficient at anything unless you want to learn it and are willing to put the time in.

    I'm surprised that you haven't heard of Scoblete. If you have ever been in the gaming section of a bookstore you are more than likely to see one of his books on the shelves. He is a successful gaming author in North America and may be the biggest gaming author by sales. He just recently came out with a new book released in May titled, "I am a Card Counter: Inside The World of Advantage Play Blackjack." Knowing that Scoblete sells a book on "Speed Count" I would like to see what's in this book. He claims that BJ is his main game but I don't know what counting system he personally uses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    If you want something your going to have to put something into it such as time. Nobody is going to make you learn anything and be proficient at anything unless you want to learn it and are willing to put the time in.

    I'm surprised that you haven't heard of Scoblete. If you have ever been in the gaming section of a bookstore you are more than likely to see one of his books on the shelves. He is a successful gaming author in North America and may be the biggest gaming author by sales. He just recently came out with a new book released in May titled, "I am a Card Counter: Inside The World of Advantage Play Blackjack." Knowing that Scoblete sells a book on "Speed Count" I would like to see what's in this book. He claims that BJ is his main game but I don't know what counting system he personally uses.
    Practice is after learning. The person who teach the material has to teach it well to the other person so they can get proficient at it.

    The only book I see in the gaming section of Barnes and Nobles bookstore by Frank Scoblete was "Beat Blackjack Now!:The Easiest Way to Get the Edge!". I know very well what is in the book. Did you know there is actually one mistake on pages 82-83 of the book titled "Optimum Basic Strategy (OBS)"? It display the chart for 2,4,6,8 Stand Soft 17, Double after split, Late Surrender Allowed. For the play 8,8 v A it said to surrender (if offered) and not split. Splitting 8s has an expectation to lose 36.48% of the original bet and surrender obviously costs 50%. When Stanford Wong's Professional Blackjack came out in 1994, he had surrender 8-8 vs A as a basic strategy play (index of 0) but that was a mistake that has since been corrected.

    Also, "Golden Touch Blackjack Revolution" has the play 8,8 v A as Split and not Surrender??? The only exception is when early surrender is available then surrender 8,8 vs A.

    Not even the "Card Counter Basic Strategy" list the deviation as surrender

    The book "I am a Card Counter: Inside The World of Advantage Play Blackjack came out May 1, 2014 and I have not seen that book in the bookstore.
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    I think we both can agree that if you can read you can learn. If your proficient at blackjack cardcounting and can understand the in's and out's of the game and can count down decks of cards with precision accuracy, play perfect basic strategy, learn index plays, carry the count in your memory to the next round, and move your chips with a count then you should be able to pick up and understand the odds, payouts, and percentages of a game of craps fairly quick. It should be an easy transition. The betting in craps is fairly easy and straight forward but as a player and with the bets you will be making at the table you should know beforehand what the casino will payout before you book any particular bet.

    The best bets in the game of craps are placing of the 6 and 8, Pass Line with full odds, Don't Pass with full odds, buying of the 4 or 10 with vig paid on wins only. If your a math guy then you want to reduce the house edge to as low as possible and stick to those bets but if you cannot bet full odds on the Pass Line or Don't Pass then don't sweat it. The physical aspect of the game will keep you busy for hours on end. Getting the smartcraps software may be a good idea from GTC but only you can decide.

    I haven't read any of Franks book on Blackjack and I don't know what kind of information he has in his BJ books. In my own pursuit of learning blackjack I didn't think Scoblete would have been the best teacher in BJ because one can look at the names on the Blackjack Hall of Fame and the greats who came before him. In my thinking that was the place to start and branch out from there.

    There is a guy named "Ahigh," who is a craps freak and lives in Vegas. He has made several videos on craps called the "Ahigh Show" on youtube, you may want to check out some of his videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bnmx...yer_detailpage
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    "The best bets in the game of craps are placing of the 6 and 8, Pass Line with full odds, Don't Pass with full odds, buying of the 4 or 10 with vig paid on wins only."

    From my understanding the best bets in the games of craps is the free odd bet because it has a zero percent house edge. Free odd bets are sometime called odd bet or true odds. However, for it to be a good bet it must be place with the Pass Line before a come out roll then back with free odds. I don't know and not sure if placing 6 and 8 or buying of the 4 or 10 would be good bets.

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