Craps Techniques

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The GT crowd mostly were not actually getting any real influence of the dice that they could capitalize on. A few had the touch but most with a capital M were wannabes. They stuck to the low HE bets because all they focused on was lowering the incidence of rolling a 7.
The best would take the long odds bets and play them because you could get the biggest edge with the new fair odds for the number given the new probability distribution. the trouble with that is they will ban you. Start hitting hop bets like crazy and see what happens.
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Anyone that knows anything about Frank, Dom, or GTC know that they recommend betting the low house edge bets in craps because that is what the math dictates in the game. Scoblete even preaches that in his craps books. Just because a player makes a low house edge bet does not mean that the shooter cannot throw a 7 on the very next roll. They do it because that is what the math says to do. "Casino Craps" by Frank and Dom is the best book on craps out on the market in my opinion. I thought it was a very thorough book.

"Cutting Edge Craps" is the follow up book to "Casino Craps" but I was already using the techniques in that book well before it came out and hit the shelves. The only problem I see with "Cutting Edge Craps" is that all of the rolls in that book were computed to someone else's throw! And no throws from differing players are the same. That is why they want people to get the smartcraps software so people can do their own computations in their own home.

Luckily years ago I was able to play a craps session with Dom and one of his buddies before "Cutting Edge Craps" came out. From what I clearly remember I tripled their cash-in with my throws alone.

Like you I have not taken the course. GTC still has their course however Scoblete is no longer a part of GTC. He has announced that he is done teaching and has passed on the torch to other members of GTC and that's a fact jack.

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When I was doing it I practiced 3 hours a day on my craps table. I kept records of each throw. I used different colored dice to track the results of the left and right die individually. I grouped the results in groups of 24. Random results would expect 16 of the 4 sides that were on axis and 6 of the two sides that were not on axis. I had outstanding control of the right die getting an average of 19 to 20 of the sides that indicated successfully rolling a desired side with a range from 18 to 24. Unfortunately I could barely control the left die. I never got less than expectation on that die but usually only had 17 or 18 successes in each group of 24 with a range of 16 to 20. It was enough to get an advantage but if I could have controlled the left die as well as the right die I could have bet the big payoff bets and made some real money. I concentrated on the place bet on the 6 and 8. If you are really good the dice just plug and don't bounce a lot of the time. I rarely pulled that one off. If I had no control of the left die it would have been tough to use the very strong right die control to an advantage.
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If someone has a crap table or a throwing rig by using the Hardway set they can determine just how "off" their throw is. The goal is to keep the dice on axis while trying to negate the 1's and 6's coming up on any particular die. If a shooter can throw hardway numbers more so than what probability dictates with that set there could be potential.

[Bushido]

I don't worry about my SRR, I bet my signature numbers and bet the don't on the chicken feeders...As in Blackjack I keep my sessions short...

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I am not arguing whether or not carnival games are beatable. I am just asking how to do it. It seem like you know how to do it. If so do you want to share?

If you want to talk to Frank go to CasinoCityTimes. You can also write to Stickman on the same website, he is also a master strategist at the game and can answer any questions that you may have about strategy, whatever question you have just fire away. Under the authors archived writings you may be able to find questions that are similar to yours... may have already been answered.

[seriousplayer]

If you want to talk to Frank go to CasinoCityTimes. You can also write to Stickman on the same website, he is also a master strategist at the game and can answer any questions that you may have about strategy, whatever question you have just fire away. Under the authors archived writings you may be able to find questions that are similar to yours... may have already been answered.

I will keep an open mind but no offense I am not sure if Frank Scoblete are reputable authors I could turn to regarding this topic. I might not be qualify enough in craps to say whether or not dice control works. I am willing to talk with Frank if he don't convince me to take one of his dice control courses because I am not ready to learn about dice control. I want to get all my skepticism out of the way first. Second, the dice control course in Frank Scoblete's website cost $1495 that is a lot of money just for a two day course.

[Three]

Second, the dice control course in Frank Scoblete's website cost $1495 that is a lot of money just for a two day course.

I think that is about what the GT guys charged too.

[seriousplayer]

I think that is about what the GT guys charged too.

Frank Scoblete is part of Golden Touch.

[Bushido]

Frank Scoblete is part of Golden Touch.

Frank Scoblete retired from Golden Touch...

[seriousplayer]

Frank Scoblete retired from Golden Touch...

Would he be a good person to turn to for AP advice like craps or blackjack? Probably not blackjack since he is a promoter of Speed Count. Speed Count is a weak counting system.

[Bushido]

Would he be a good person to turn to for AP advice like craps or blackjack? Probably not blackjack since he is a promoter of Speed Count. Speed Count is a weak counting system.

This board is the right place for Blackjack and for craps check out:

Heavy's Axis Power Craps Forum
The Dice Institute Forum
Craps forum

Heavy was a lot of help to me when I first started...If I was you I would build a craps practice rig and buy a few books and see what you can do on your own before spending over a thousand dollars for a class...

[seriousplayer]

If I was you I would build a craps practice rig and a few books and see what you can do on your own before spending over a thousand dollars for a class...

Of course I will read few book and practice more before I take a course that cost a thousand dollars.

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I will keep an open mind but no offense I am not sure if Frank Scoblete are reputable authors I could turn to regarding this topic. I might not be qualify enough in craps to say whether or not dice control works. I am willing to talk with Frank if he don't convince me to take one of his dice control courses because I am not ready to learn about dice control. I want to get all my skepticism out of the way first. Second, the dice control course in Frank Scoblete's website cost $1495 that is a lot of money just for a two day course.

Frank is a reputable author. He is a talented writer/author. I've never looked into his speed count when it comes to blackjack and I do not think I will, but like I mentioned in a previous post his book "Casino Craps" is the best gaming book written on craps that you will find. "Cutting Edge Craps" is the sequel to "Casino Craps" and goes a little further, but before you pick up that book you should already know what your doing on a crap table and have a good understanding of the game. He claims that Blackjack is his main game, I guess craps comes second to him.

I suppose $1495 is a lot of currency, just depends on a persons context. It may seem like a lot but you have to consider that they have to rent the equipment, fly the instructors in, pay hotel bills, cover food costs for several days, and then they might make a little bit on the end. I would imagine that Frank has made more in book sales vs. classroom revenue.

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Of course I will read few book and practice more before I take a course that cost a thousand dollars.

If Wong, Uston, Revere, or Hyland were to offer you a course in BJ how much value would you put on the course?