AP Heat Article

[ahjooma]

It must help you as an AP to gain perspective as a dealer.
how do you like it?
How do you like living there? Do you encounter many AP's?

I've met dealers who have told me that they play.
most of them seem friendlier toward players.

[mcallister3200]

It must help you as an AP to gain perspective as a dealer.
how do you like it?
How do you like living there? Do you encounter many AP's?
I've met dealers who have told me that they play.
most of them seem friendlier toward players.

It helps in some ways, at times I'm able to play through what I may have previously perceived as heat that is not. The negative is the possibility of running into people you know, and making me more likely to tip at some places since I know better what type of.money dealers in specific casinos make. I do not like dealing or working in the industry, a good reason to quit, if it doesn't work you can always go back. I do enjoy Vegas for cheap cost of living but am moving to pursue a stronger ap opportunity. I deal blackjack or carny games maybe once every two weeks, so this limits my exposure to ap's. I have noticed a few.counters, or people who I see playing at places with strong vp/multipliers on the same bank of machines as me who are just playing a matchplay and leaving. Dealing mostly dice and roulette leads to seeing few ap players other than half assed matchplay and leave ap's, who may or may not otherwise play at an advantage.

[mcallister3200]

Apologies for lack of proper paragraph formatting, not sure how to do so from phone, and having a couple drinks doesn't help.

[Aslan]

Been a long time since I've posted, about since it went to subscription. Anyways, I moved to lv to try and play for a living, took a job as a dealer after some negative variance and being uncomfortable with it with no steady income, mostly dice and roulette, while still playing. Have my two weeks in to give it another shot. I will tell you the two places I've worked are idiots in regards to counting as far as shift managers and floor are concerned, including winning as evidence, not mentioning even money as it "takes money out of our pocket", and reason for not allowing spread to multiple hands on double deck because "it's a lot harder to count a six deck." Sometimes it is just beyond ridiculous.

There aren't many floor people who know enough about card counting to spot one, but that's not their main job, it's the EITS's job.

[KJ]

Interesting, mcallister3200. In one of the 'dated' books that I read, I remember reading that at one time, like in the 1970's, half the dealers in Vegas had come west to become card counters and ended up on the other side of the table for at least some period of time. That may have been an exaggeration, but I do believe is was probably pretty common back then.

I do think there is some advantage to working as a dealer. You get to see how some in the industry think. I accomplish this by having a few friends in the industry and I pick their brains when I get the chance. You are getting to see and learn that info first hand.

I am familiar with many "half assed AP's". Just the kind you mentioned. They will find and take advantage of every decent promotion, find every matchplay coupon, ect. I see the same faces all over town. What they lack is discipline. Any advantages that they play or generate, are short-lived as they immediately give it all back, several times on neg EV play.

[Three]

and reason for not allowing spread to multiple hands on double deck because "it's a lot harder to count a six deck."

I saw it in the movie Rainman. Surveillance says, "nobody can count into a 6 deck shoe". LOL

[Aslan]

I saw it in the movie Rainman. Surveillance says, "nobody can count into a 6 deck shoe". LOL

But it's a myth, at least, today. Surveillance is trained in High-Low counting and those who cannot master it, are at the very least able to enter the cards played into a computer for analysis to determine exactly when the plus count began and how long it ran. But it is so very true that the average ploppy believes that 6 decks are simply impossible to count. When somebody commented that maybe I was counting because I seemed to know when to raise my bet, I replied, "If anyone was able to count 6 decks, they'd be a millionaire. I tried to remember all the cards once, but I couldn't get past 11." The table all laughs, nodding in agreement and adding their own similar misconceptions."

[Three]

When somebody commented that maybe I was counting because I seemed to know when to raise my bet

After a typical run of raising my bet at just the right time, I had a lady lean in and ask me if I was counting the cards. I whispered not so quiet something like, what good would that do since they use the same number of cards in each shoe. It never hurts to have some gems prepared for when your bets are moving in opposition to those great hands. I wish there was a way to know when I would get hands like these. They always seem to come right when I lower my bet. However you handle these types of things it must feel natural and not forced or rehearsed. If it doesn't seem natural some may view it as a tell.

[Aslan]

After a typical run of raising my bet at just the right time, I had a lady lean in and ask me if I was counting the cards. I whispered not so quiet something like, what good would that do since they use the same number of cards in each shoe.

[ahjooma]

Tthree, that's funny.
the greatest acting I've observed was when I saw a gentleman
in his early 60s playing two spots, not betting more than three units.
he made went along with all the superstitious comments at the table
with people blaming other people's plays for the losses, winning with
odd plays I could not fathom.

On my last hand, I wasn't sure whether to bet 3 or 4 units (round or truncate?)
and put out 4 and won the hand. As I was leaving, he leans in to my ear
and whispers "that should have been a 3 unit bet"