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    AP Heat Article

    http://apheat.net/2014/02/27/the-per...-faq/#comments

    Seems even Mr. Jacobsen doesn't think counters are a real threat.
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    Very funny line on the page:

    Years ago, I worked for a Pit Boss who could spot 7 out of every 4 card counters in his pit.
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    There's probably a lot of money to be made from counters. For small bettors at least, the casino should try to gauge what they believe the counters bankroll to be, mistakes made, and attitude towards losses. Find the right combination of these and let variance do the rest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Norm View Post
    Very funny line on the page:

    Years ago, I worked for a Pit Boss who could spot 7 out of every 4 card counters in his pit.
    That is one smart pit boss. Probably the guy that left muttering under his breath on what an idiot I was after being sent to evaluate my play when I sat and played a game that is supposed to be aggressively protected. Iy was one of the only 2 deck games for hundreds of miles in all directions. The move that made him think I was an idiot ploppy was a BS play in DD games. LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by njrich View Post
    http://apheat.net/2014/02/27/the-per...-faq/#comments

    Seems even Mr. Jacobsen doesn't think counters are a real threat.
    I have to agree with Mr. Jacobsen. An advantage is an advantage, don't get me wrong, but I found the win rate to be the only thing I could count on in the long run, as the mathematics dictates. A card counter can have phenomenal wins, but also phenomenal losses. I've said many times that playing blackjack is a roller coaster, and that is purely from experience. The only thing you can be sure of in the long run is that small slope determined by your overall 1% to 2% advantage.

    If you love blackjack, as many here do, it's a way to enjoy the game, and make a little profit at the same time. The higher your bankroll allows you to bet, the more profit you can make. But if you're like me, it takes a lot of will power to have $10,000 in your pocket (not that you should carry that much), and restrict yourself to a $10 min bet game. Card counting is a real test of character, and I have flunked on many occasions, that is, failed to follow all of the prescribed guidelines for one's particular situation. But if you love the game, and if you have the discipline to follow the recommendations for successful playing (bankroll, bet sizing, risk of ruin, etc.), go for it. I might add "spousal support" as a recommendation often left out; if you engage in a gambling activity that is not approved by the missus, you may win on the green felt, but your overall life EV may be a bit on the negative side. lol Fortunately, my wife had no qualms whatever about my gambling, and since I have been inactive for quite a while now, she openly shows how much she misses those comps I used to treat her to.

    Maybe, I'll get back into it just a little.

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    I think eliot couldn't cut it as a card counter so his ego has the only possible explanation is that counting doesn't work no matter what the computer data says..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    That is one smart pit boss. Probably the guy that left muttering under his breath on what an idiot I was after being sent to evaluate my play when I sat and played a game that is supposed to be aggressively protected. Iy was one of the only 2 deck games for hundreds of miles in all directions. The move that made him think I was an idiot ploppy was a BS play in DD games. LOL
    Hey, T3, what's cooking?

    Yeah, I think most pit bosses are under-trained in the AP department, since their duties are more to watch the dealers, play host, keep the banks replenished, coordinate the relief dealers, accommodate the cash box pickups, sign off on incoming chips, review match plays and other promos, settle disputes, clean up spilled drinks, and lastly, if somebody bets low for a long time, then suddenly raises his bet, call the "eye" to take a look.
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    Maybe he was serious?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tthree View Post
    I think eliot couldn't cut it as a card counter so his ego has the only possible explanation is that counting doesn't work no matter what the computer data says..
    Do you think he's saying it doesn't work, or that it's not a large a threat as the casinos fear it is? It's the high rollers who can take a toll, and I guess if you add up all the proficient low rollers, it comes to a sizable amount, but just think of the thousands of card counters who are not proficient and how much they add to the casino's bottom line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aslan View Post
    Hey, T3, what's cooking?
    Welcome back Aslan. You've been missed around here I hope you caught some of that extra deep pen at one of our favorite haunts before it changed. It was pretty sweet for a long time. I think they missed the game protection part of Zender's equation for maximizing casino profits. It's pretty run of the mill now. Dealer dependent of course.

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    It's what one might expect considering the ownership before and the ownership now. There's nothing in that entire town worth stopping for. Meanwhile, who knows what the Washington area has in store! And the Pennsylvania places were looking good, some of them, last time I visited.

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    Good to see you posting again, Aslan. Hope you continue to.

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    Been a long time since I've posted, about since it went to subscription. Anyways, I moved to lv to try and play for a living, took a job as a dealer after some negative variance and being uncomfortable with it with no steady income, mostly dice and roulette, while still playing. Have my two weeks in to give it another shot. I will tell you the two places I've worked are idiots in regards to counting as far as shift managers and floor are concerned, including winning as evidence, not mentioning even money as it "takes money out of our pocket", and reason for not allowing spread to multiple hands on double deck because "it's a lot harder to count a six deck." Sometimes it is just beyond ridiculous.
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