after being backed off at bj at red rock casino las vegas what shsould i do??

[Three]

I've never heard of them giving something away for free (a room) and then have you pay for it for not gambling there???

It happens. The El Dorado in Reno did it. I am sure it has been done by many other casinos.

[Aslan]

Aslan - Nice to see your post, old friend.

It wasn't Admin., it was I who deleted the info. A thoughtful member brought it to my attention though (maybe he's an admin? I don't know, but that wasn't my note). I didn't remember your desire for privacy, sorry. Probably a good idea to automatically assume privacy with all members, remembering what has happened to some members in the past. Anyway, good to see you're still at it.

[21forme]

It wasn't Admin., it was I who deleted the info. A thoughtful member brought it to my attention though (maybe he's an admin? I don't know, but that wasn't my note). I didn't remember your desire for privacy, sorry. Probably a good idea to automatically assume privacy with all members, remembering what has happened to some members in the past. Anyway, good to see you're still at it.

OK, thanks. I suspect that was KJ, so thanks to him, too, if my guess is correct.

[Sonny]

...do you think casinos are going to pay people to monitor every single gambling forum, ie craps, roulette, bj etc etc on the entire internet to grab someone's name and go back and check through all the records around a certain date to see who might have been backed off?

Do you think that casino employees don't have an interest in gambling? That the employees and management don't browse these forums in their free time like we do? That some of them aren't recreation players themselves? So when a surveillance guy from any of the Station casinos (who sometimes counts cards on his days off) reads this thread while browsing the free message boards, what do you think he will do? And why do you think they would monitor the roulette and craps forums? Unless they are from the marketing department looking for people to invite.

In the AP world there is often sound reasoning behind paranoia.

-Sonny-

[mcallister3200]

Too be fair sonny, if they count on their days off, it's probably because the job is about the best money they feel they can make and don't have the bank to play full time. By that logic it is also true that the majority of employees do not feel loyal to their employers and are not going to spend their free time to benefit them. Otoh, it is absolutely true that there is no upside to voluntarily throwing info about yourself out there that potentially hurt that can't potentially help you.

[RS]

Too be fair sonny, if they count on their days off, it's probably because the job is about the best money they feel they can make and don't have the bank to play full time. By that logic it is also true that the majority of employees do not feel loyal to their employers and are not going to spend their free time to benefit them. Otoh, it is absolutely true that there is no upside to voluntarily throwing info about yourself out there that potentially hurt that can't potentially help you.

Unfortunately, some casino employees are very loyal to their employers. It's normal for a PB to be worried about a table that's stuck some huge amount in a day, or he'd be in a good mood when his tables's holds are high. Unfortunately, some dealers feel the same way -- they're unhappy to hear that the pit is stuck $15k for the day, or they'd be delighted to hear the pit has won a lot today.

[mcallister3200]

Rolling, in my experience on both sides that is the case for floor people, but not for most dealers unless they have aspirations of a career in the industry, they just care about tokes, if a big winner tokes it's all good. But there are exceptions, and again it's always better to be safe than sorry.

[Aslan]

Too be fair sonny, if they count on their days off, it's probably because the job is about the best money they feel they can make and don't have the bank to play full time. By that logic it is also true that the majority of employees do not feel loyal to their employers and are not going to spend their free time to benefit them. Otoh, it is absolutely true that there is no upside to voluntarily throwing info about yourself out there that potentially hurt that can't potentially help you.

Some surveillance people like to play on their time off because they have been trained how to count by the casino and so they like the idea that maybe they can augment their salary on the side. Also, surveillance people are trained to catch very clever cheats and also advantage players, so some like to extend that skill, of which they are very proud, to see if they can find some threat to their casino on a forum. They may or may not be loyal to the casino, but they may like the idea of getting a feather in their cap, or just for their own enjoyment, the cat stalking the mouse. I've even heard of management level employees spending time looking for mentions of their casino in forums and trying to find information about someone who might be playing on their tables, card counting or some other AP.

[mcallister3200]

Some surveillance people like to play on their time off because they have been trained how to count by the casino and so they like the idea that maybe they can augment their salary on the side. Also, surveillance people are trained to catch very clever cheats and also advantage players, so some like to extend that skill, of which they are very proud, to see if they can find some threat to their casino on a forum. They may or may not be loyal to the casino, but they may like the idea of getting a feather in their cap, or just for their own enjoyment, the cat stalking the mouse. I've even heard of management level employees spending time looking for mentions of their casino in forums and trying to find information about someone who might be playing on their tables, card counting or some other AP.

. This makes sense, and is a valid reason for being careful. I think to work for years in surveillance some must have a naturally voyeuristic side, it certainly isn't the pay.