Double or triple bet on first hand after shuffle??

[KoolAid90]

Hi online friends,

[a little background: beginning card counter, no shuffle tracking skills or ace location. I am at the stage where I go to casinos simply to learn and improve my play in accordance to Basic Strategy, proper bet spread, indices, insurance, camo, etc. Game is single deck with decent rules.]

On Casino trip #2, a person to the right of me noticed that I was a beginner because of the lack of knowledge on game customs (scratch to hit, do not hold cards with both hands, etc.).

He advised me to increase my bet at the beginning of a shuffle because it is mathematically in your favor to win on the first hand of a shuffle. I don't think he was employing any tracking or ace locating techniques.

Can anyone give light on this "advice" ? Of course as a beginner with an open mind, I am willing to follow through on unorthodox plays if they work. I've ran naked in my hotel room and did two high jumps in accordance to some advice, guaranteeing it would work!! Just kidding, I didn't do that. Well maybe.. Anyways what I am trying to say is that I am always willing to learn.

Thanks for the help!

[bigplayer]

Nonsense. The house has the edge, bet small.

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[Three]

Good advice to a newcomer to the forum, Listen to Bigplayer.

[Skull]

Good advice to a newcomer to the forum - Part II: Listen to Tthree.

[code red]

Welcome to the forum Koolaid. What are the rules on the game? just curious

[KoolAid90]

Hey BigPlayer, ZenKinG, RollingStoned, Code Red, Tthree, Skull21, and 21forme, thanks for the tips and answering my question. I'll continue to bet small on the first hands and act accordingly to the account with proficient camo - as well as pretend that there is no one else at the table (that is unless y'all are playing with me =D ). Once again, thank you all for advice and tips - I definitely took note!

Welcome to the forum Koolaid. What are the rules on the game? just curious

Thanks for the welcome Code Red, it was Wendover, NV. To my memory, it was Single Deck, no surrender, Hit Soft 17, Split any pair, one card draw after split, Blackjack pays 3 to 2, one card draw on any double downs, my table was a $5 minimum, and there was a royal match bet (get any cards of the same suit and it pays you with some ratio (I didn't play it as other forums said it was a suckers bet unless using a match bet system).

[code red]

it was Single Deck, no surrender, Hit Soft 17, Split any pair, one card draw after split, Blackjack pays 3 to 2, one card draw on any double downs, my table was a $5 minimum, and there was a royal match bet (get any cards of the same suit and it pays you with some ratio (I didn't play it as other forums said it was a suckers bet unless using a match bet system).

Sounds like a fair game. I can't find a game like that for hundreds of miles. Good luck. I believe there are a few individuals on here from Wendover who might collaborate with you.

[KoolAid90]

Sounds like a fair game. I can't find a game like that for hundreds of miles. Good luck. I believe there are a few individuals on here from Wendover who might collaborate with you.

Absolutely, let me know if you are in the area sometime.

[Jabberwocky]

[QUOTE=KoolAid90;130000]Hey BigPlayer, ZenKinG, RollingStoned, Code Red, Tthree, Skull21, and 21forme, thanks for the tips and answering my question. I'll continue to bet small on the first hands and act accordingly to the account with proficient camo - as well as pretend that there is no one else at the table (that is unless y'all are playing with me =D ).

Never bet small only big and bigger. If you find yourself wanting to bet small, it's much better to leave the table.

[KoolAid90]

[QUOTE=Jabberwocky;130105]

Hey BigPlayer, ZenKinG, RollingStoned, Code Red, Tthree, Skull21, and 21forme, thanks for the tips and answering my question. I'll continue to bet small on the first hands and act accordingly to the account with proficient camo - as well as pretend that there is no one else at the table (that is unless y'all are playing with me =D ).

Never bet small only big and bigger. If you find yourself wanting to bet small, it's much better to leave the table.

Hey Jabberwocky, can you expand a little on that statement?

"Never bet small" - Do you mean that in a literal sense? As a green horn I am a sponge soaking up everything.
"Big and bigger" - Same as above, do you mean that in a literal sense?

"If you find yourself wanting to bet small, it's much better to leave the table." - My current limited bankroll suggests me to frequent to $5 tables. Then I spread my bet accordingly to the betting indices as described in the book, "Blackjack for Blood," by Bryce Carlson. What do you suggest I do?

Thanks for the help.

[Three]

Hey Jabberwocky, can you expand a little on that statement?

I think Jabber was saying rather than make waiting bets find another table. The suggestion of big or bigger seems to indicate back counting but he is definitely talking about wonging out rather than betting small. Particularly good advice for a small BR. All those waiting bets are made at a disadvantage and add up to quite a drag on your EV. By only making advantage bets or near neutral edge bets there is no drag or little drag on the EV generated by your advantage bets.

[KoolAid90]

I think Jabber was saying rather than make waiting bets find another table. The suggestion of big or bigger seems to indicate back counting but he is definitely talking about wonging out rather than betting small. Particularly good advice for a small BR. All those waiting bets are made at a disadvantage and add up to quite a drag on your EV. By only making advantage bets or near neutral edge bets there is no drag or little drag on the EV generated by your advantage bets.

Ahh gotcha.

What about single deck with about 70% penetration?

Do you know if wonging out on single would be proficient? Unfortunately at this time I can only go to casinos on weekends (unless a trip) and on these weekends the blackjack tables are swamped. With 6 other players at the table the count can go from neg to high positive in one round. I also thought about that potentially blowing my cover. What are your thoughts?

I successfully wonged out of my first six deck game but have never done it on a single deck.

Good comments about the drag on the EV, I'm taking notes.

[Jabberwocky]

I suggest that you get off $5 tables ASAP!