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    Good shoes / bad shoes

    Yes or no,just seems like on some shoes you just cant lose even when the count is really bad? thoughts? Then the count go up like crazy and you cant buy a hand!
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    Thoughts? Fretting over short term results will drive you crazy.

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    Funny I just saw this post, because I have just played one 6D CVBJ game using REKO with no indexes and using the suggested betting ramp in Modern Blackjack page 72.

    The count stayed at around +15 for almost the entire second half of the shoe (in REKO it begins at -20). It was amazing, I had never seen that before during my practices.

    Well, I may have lost around 12 max bets consecutively!! I ended up loosing 149 units in one shoe!!!

    I guess there are some shoes you just can't win as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SURFER View Post
    Yes or no,just seems like on some shoes you just cant lose even when the count is really bad? thoughts? Then the count go up like crazy and you cant buy a hand!
    It is not about winning or losing the hands. At higher counts you have a more positive expectation value.
    Chance favors the prepared mind

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    What do you expect with a 2% edge when you will win less than half the hands over time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SURFER View Post
    Yes or no,just seems like on some shoes you just cant lose even when the count is really bad? thoughts? Then the count go up like crazy and you cant buy a hand!
    Winning win the minimum bet is out there and losing when max bets are bet, that's no fun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull21 View Post
    Funny I just saw this post, because I have just played one 6D CVBJ game using REKO with no indexes and using the suggested betting ramp in Modern Blackjack page 72.

    The count stayed at around +15 for almost the entire second half of the shoe (in REKO it begins at -20). It was amazing, I had never seen that before during my practices.

    Well, I may have lost around 12 max bets consecutively!! I ended up loosing 149 units in one shoe!!!

    I guess there are some shoes you just can't win as well...
    Why did you not use any index plays? If you started your IRC at -20 and it overcame 35 positions to where the count topped out at +15 that is a very high count to be losing which doesn't feel good.
    I play the game at BJinfo and have been getting decent results but I don't know how the two games compare. You cannot adjust your bankroll with the game at BJinfo, which hinders players who want to play at a higher level.
    Several days ago I started with $1000 and finished when I hit exactly $10,000, within 100+ hands. I also played several DD games using REKO with index plays a few days ago at the $20 level starting with $1000 which I know has to have a higher ROR than the $10 level and ramped accordingly to where I ended up with $6000-$7000 profit. Had I started with $20,000 I would have pushed it over $120,000 on and off in a matter of hours in the sim world, which is different from the real world. Either way the game on that site is becoming easier to beat so it seems to where I am more often than not able to win $500-$700 in short order starting with the original $1000 and am starting to see better results than how I used to play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    Why did you not use any index plays?
    I haven't gotten to the point where I feel I should begin memorizing indexes. I still have a lot of dificulty to keep the count in a reasonable speed. I make an average of "only" 1-2 mistakes in a shoe and zero BS errors, but I play way too slow. Also, since I chose an umbalanced count, I want to at least go straight to full indexes. But the time for that hasn't come yet, I am afraid


    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    If you started your IRC at -20 and it overcame 35 positions to where the count topped out at +15 that is a very high count to be losing which doesn't feel good.
    If it is such a terrible feeling playing a sim, I can only dread the real thing


    Quote Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg View Post
    I play the game at BJinfo and have been getting decent results but I don't know how the two games compare. You cannot adjust your bankroll with the game at BJinfo, which hinders players who want to play at a higher level.
    Several days ago I started with $1000 and finished when I hit exactly $10,000, within 100+ hands. I also played several DD games using REKO with index plays a few days ago at the $20 level starting with $1000 which I know has to have a higher ROR than the $10 level and ramped accordingly to where I ended up with $6000-$7000 profit. Had I started with $20,000 I would have pushed it over $120,000 on and off in a matter of hours in the sim world, which is different from the real world. Either way the game on that site is becoming easier to beat so it seems to where I am more often than not able to win $500-$700 in short order starting with the original $1000 and am starting to see better results than how I used to play.
    Thanks for sharing your experiences! I am glad to be reassured that standard deviation goes both ways...

    Great cards!!

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    Good shoes / bad shoes

    I remember that song:
    In the days of my youth,
    I was told how to be a blackjack man.
    Now I've reached that age
    I've tried to play the game the best I can.
    No matter how I try,
    I find my way to the same old jam.
    Good shoes, bad shoes,
    you know I've had my share.
    When my bank got hit by a browneyed dealer,
    well, I still don't seem to care.

    With apologies to Zep.


    "I don't think outside the box; I think of what I can do with the box." - Henri Matisse

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    great song, lol, norm

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    A bad shoe is not a problem. Nor it is 2 or 3. Your defining moment will be when you get bad shoe after bad shoe, day after day, and maybe even week after week. When for 5 days straight you lose all your 20 against the dealers 4 cards 21, or every time you double down on your 11 you get an ace to lose against a 17, or every time the dealer shows an ace and you have 2 or 3 max bets + insurance the dealer flips over a 9. Thats when the game really puts a player to the test. When that happens (and it sure will eventually), some go broke because they were not properly bankrolled or because they start chasing loses by overbetting and not playing properly. Some will start wondering if all this card counting crap actually works and will decide to quit after taking a big hit. Those who keep playing properly and doing things the right way are the ones who eventually succeed. Luckily, there are very few who are strong minded and skilled enough to survive those streaks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjarg View Post
    Luckily, there are very few who are strong minded and skilled enough to survive those streaks.
    There are no casinos around and I personally know no one who plays blackjack.
    I know your words are not a challenge, but for me they do sound like it...

    .... and that's the kind of motivation I need!!!


    "...this game takes an incredible amount of heart. It takes physical stamina, nerves of steel, and an inordinate amount of discipline and self-control. Without all of the latter, the former (technical skill) is meaningless."

    "Blackjack will test your soul, your character, the very fiber of your being. you have to sit there and take it."
    (Don Schlesinger, Blackjack Attack)

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