Facial recognition is getting good enough to be worrisome...

**Marvin** · 03-19-2014, 06:27 AM

http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ell-as-you-do/

I'm torn. I love computer tech advances, but this is concerning for an AP.

97+% correct despite differences in lighting and picture angle.

**bigplayer** · 03-19-2014, 07:39 AM

Not from my experience. If the casino has a good head shot of you in their database and you try to play unrated at high stakes or on double deck I can see it working pretty well, but the same could be said for a database of undesirables indexed by keywords and descriptors. Punch in White Male, 35-49 years old, mole on left cheek and 50 photos might pop up, it would take no time for a surveillance operative with a long memory for faces to see if you are one of those people. Wear a hat while you play, sunglasses while you enter the casino pinch points, don't cash out right after you play, etc and generally prevent the casino from getting a straight on shot at your face and FRS is much less effective.

The article had a 97% success rate comparing two photos, certainly there would be far more false positives comparing a screen shot of a player in action with an entire database of players and as casinos begin to get more confident and reliant on technology the easier they will be to fool. Mindplay was incredibly easy to fool.

**Marvin** · 03-19-2014, 04:10 PM

I agree that the stuff currently available to casinos is not very good, and the linked tech is in research stages and likely years away from being available to surveillance.
The research stuff, however, is improving.
http://vis-www.cs.umass.edu/lfw/results.html

**Norm** · 03-19-2014, 04:59 PM

There have been several embarrassments with facial recognition. Which I think is great. But, I too have concerns about where it may go in several years.

One thought. If it becomes too much of a problem in our particular area, we might be able to generate a backlash. Seriously, Las Vegas has used, for years, as its advertising mantra "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." Who will believe that if they scan everyone's faces to identify them? Won't they destroy their own tag line? Aren't they saying: "What happens in Vegas, we will record in detail, identify you, and use it against you"? How can a city that claims you can visit and play in anonymity also be the most surveilled city in the world?

**Goatlife** · 03-19-2014, 08:01 PM

Originally Posted by Norm

There have been several embarrassments with facial recognition. Which I think is great. But, I too have concerns about where it may go in several years.

One thought. If it becomes too much of a problem in our particular area, we might be able to generate a backlash. Seriously, Las Vegas has used, for years, as its advertising mantra "What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas." Who will believe that if they scan everyone's faces to identify them? Won't they destroy their own tag line? Aren't they saying: "What happens in Vegas, we will record in detail, identify you, and use it against you"? How can a city that claims you can visit and play in anonymity also be the most surveilled city in the world?

with all do respect i think this is happening now. I am not going to go into detail with this post but there is a new procedure poping up that casinos are using when people are signing up for players cards. I personally have been linked to multiple accounts from one account being flagged all with different info. The only way they could of linked the accounts (some accounts where just used for non heat generating activities) It was clear that that they used one picture as a refference. Put it this way. its getting much harder to recycle a property once you get nailed at one with this method and it is fully active now.

**Blitzkrieg** · 03-19-2014, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Marvin

http://www.technologyreview.com/news...ell-as-you-do/

I'm torn. I love computer tech advances, but this is concerning for an AP.

97+% correct despite differences in lighting and picture angle.

I would be careful on what pictures you upload on Facebook. Once you upload it, it's theirs forever whether you delete it or not. The only thing FB is good for is data mining. Facial recognition is coming to a street corner near you besides for being used in casinos. Optical license plates readers on light posts and on the back of police vehicles.

**Freightman** · 03-20-2014, 06:17 AM

Originally Posted by bigplayer

Not from my experience. If the casino has a good head shot of you in their database and you try to play unrated at high stakes or on double deck I can see it working pretty well, but the same could be said for a database of undesirables indexed by keywords and descriptors. Punch in White Male, 35-49 years old, mole on left cheek and 50 photos might pop up, it would take no time for a surveillance operative with a long memory for faces to see if you are one of those people. Wear a hat while you play, sunglasses while you enter the casino pinch points, don't cash out right after you play, etc and generally prevent the casino from getting a straight on shot at your face and FRS is much less effective.

The article had a 97% success rate comparing two photos, certainly there would be far more false positives comparing a screen shot of a player in action with an entire database of players and as casinos begin to get more confident and reliant on technology the easier they will be to fool. Mindplay was incredibly easy to fool.

To add to this, the interrogation you get from the pit or dealer can go into the database, such as, where are u from.- you need to be ready with your geographical misdirection etc.