casino verite?

[blackjacktim]

What is the difference between the full version of casino verite and the free version offered by this website?

[Norm]

If you're talking about the Free Game here, the difference is massive.

[blackjacktim]

If you're talking about the Free Game here, the difference is massive.

So.... What is the difference?

[muckz]

http://qfit.com/blackjack-games.htm

[Norm]

Download the demo from www.qfit.com/downloads.htm. It would take several pages to describe the difference. CV contains 116 screens and over 700 files.

[Bodarc]

The free version is limited to basic strategy and a few common rules. In other words, it is a good program for practicing your basic strategy or just "playing blackjack".

The full version is a teaching program. You input the counting system you want to use, the rules of the game you are playing etc and as you play all of your mistakes are pointed out to you. There are different drills for you to practice such as counting flashcards, deck estimation, play variation drills (index numbers) etc.

It is the cheapest $ 90 you'll ever spend if you are interested in learning rather than just playing.

[blackjacktim]

Thanks alot for the responses, I appreciate them. I am pretty new, and so far I am really just trying to practice basic strategy and HiLo counting. I am not a mathematician, nor am I looking to be a professional player, I would just like to get better. I am interested in learning other counting methods, but at this point it is just for fun. The free version on this website seems to be fine for practicing, I am just wondering what I would get out of the not free version.

Another question (and I apologize if I should make a new post instead of asking this here): Is there any reason I should be learning KO, or some other system, instead of HiLo?

[Skull]

Another question (and I apologize if I should make a new post instead of asking this here): Is there any reason I should be learning KO, or some other system, instead of HiLo?

I will try to respond you (from newbie to newbie)....

As far as I understand, the most important difference, specially for a beginner, is that you don't need to make true count calculations in KO (division of the running count by the remaining number of decks). At least for me this is a HUGE difference.

Another slight technical difference is that the card 7 is counted as +1 instead of 0.

Performance-wise, check out this link:

http://www.qfit.com/KO-HiLo-BlackjackComparison.htm

I can give you more info when my copy of Knockout Blackjack arrives (hopefully soon)

Hope it helped!

[muckz]

I will try to respond you (from newbie to newbie)....

As far as I understand, the most important difference, specially for a beginner, is that you don't need to make true count calculations in KO (division of the running count by the remaining number of decks). At least for me this is a HUGE difference.

Another slight technical difference is that the card 7 is counted as +1 instead of 0.

Performance-wise, check out this link:

http://www.qfit.com/KO-HiLo-BlackjackComparison.htm

I can give you more info when my copy of Knockout Blackjack arrives (hopefully soon)

Hope it helped!

Keep in mind when reading KO BJ that the results and comparisons given are misleading (http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...leofbabies.htm) but not entirely wrong.

[muckz]

Thanks alot for the responses, I appreciate them. I am pretty new, and so far I am really just trying to practice basic strategy and HiLo counting. I am not a mathematician, nor am I looking to be a professional player, I would just like to get better. I am interested in learning other counting methods, but at this point it is just for fun. The free version on this website seems to be fine for practicing, I am just wondering what I would get out of the not free version.

Another question (and I apologize if I should make a new post instead of asking this here): Is there any reason I should be learning KO, or some other system, instead of HiLo?

Deck estimation is a very serious mistake to be making. When there are more than 2 decks in the tray it can be hard for a new player without lots of experience to determine if there is 2.4(round 2) decks or 2.6(round 3) in the tray, if you make mistakes like these often, your TC calculations are no longer accurate. This is the main reason many would suggest KO.

[Joker21]

Deck estimation is a very serious mistake to be making. When there are more than 2 decks in the tray it can be hard for a new player without lots of experience to determine if there is 2.4(round 2) decks or 2.6(round 3) in the tray, if you make mistakes like these often, your TC calculations are no longer accurate. This is the main reason many would suggest KO.

You should be using half or quarter deck calculations

[Skull]

Keep in mind when reading KO BJ that the results and comparisons given are misleading (http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/...leofbabies.htm) but not entirely wrong.

Thanks a lot for pointing that out!
I just read the article you mentioned.

If I understood correctly, the main problem is that their sims were made before SCORE was "invented".
So they optimized the betting scheme for KO and used the same one for the other systems, thus incurring in a great bias towards a higher KO performance.

Now, with SCORE, you put all "games on an even playing field, assuming we define “even” as an equal and constant risk of ruin, assuming the same starting bankroll and the same betting limits for each system in identical games".

Did I get it right?

Best!

[jbuck]

There are different drills for you to practice such as counting flashcards, deck estimation, play variation drills (index numbers) etc.

It is the cheapest $ 90 you'll ever spend if you are interested in learning rather than just playing.

I agree 150% - the drills are huge for emulating "real life" play and are worth the cost alone (especially when you can drop $100/hand on any given game).