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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    You didn't answer my question. I ask you to give me the list of names?
    It's been made clear posting such info is a very bad idea. Just shut up already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 21forme View Post
    It's been made clear posting such info is a very bad idea. Just shut up already.
    I mention PM did I not???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    You didn't answer my question. I ask you to give me the list of names?
    You aren't going to get anyone that provides a list. Do your own research or make friends with knowledgeable players.


    I answered you, it just wasn't the answer you wanted.

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    You have got to be ****ing kidding seriousplayer...if you have Grosjean's book, you should try reading it. The info you are seeking is in that book.
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    You aren't going to get anyone that provides a list.

    Trust me I know very clearly which game is beatable and which game is not beatable. When I mean beatable I mean playing it for a living not just beating it in a certain condition. You don't know the answer that is why you are asking me to do the research.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    If craps is beatable how come there is no professional craps players???? When I mean professional crap players I mean players that play craps for a living.
    Because, like most good advantage plays, it is very situational and isn't available on a regular basis. I'd note that there are only a very small number of professional gamblers who focus narrowly on 1 game, poker notwithstanding. So you say there are no professional craps players but I would counter that there are virtually no professional card counters either, who earn their income solely from counting cards. In fact, there are some names you would probably recognize (who are known as blackjack players) who have made at least some money in recent years at craps. That doesn't mean it's their sole source of income or even a significant portion of their income. You can believe it or disbelieve it. It makes no difference to me. I'm just stating what I know to be true. The true professionals working today are professional advantage players, not simply professional card counters. They don't specialize in a single game because they know there is money to be made all over the casino.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingStoned View Post
    You have got to be ****ing kidding seriousplayer...if you have Grosjean's book, you should try reading it. The info you are seeking is in that book.
    I didn't read the whole book I admit. The problem here is I don't believe people who tell me that games are beatable when they are not. I don't mean like you could beat it under a certain condition once in a while. I mean being able to play the game as a living professionally. Of course under the right conditions most games could be beaten but the questions is could you do that consistently???
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    So you say there are no professional craps players but I would counter that there are virtually no professional card counters either, who earn their income solely from counting cards.

    I could name you one professional card counter that earn their income solely from counting cards. His name is Ken Uston. Counter that??? So you are saying he made money in craps.

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    Ken Uston!? LOL That was 30 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RWM View Post
    Ken Uston!? LOL That was 30 years ago.
    Correct! But he is saying there is no professional card counter. So I am giving example to disprove this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    So you say there are no professional craps players but I would counter that there are virtually no professional card counters either, who earn their income solely from counting cards.

    I could name you one professional card counter that earn their income solely from counting cards. His name is Ken Uston. Counter that??? So you are saying he made money in craps.
    "are"..."earn"...present tense. Not decades ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nyne View Post
    "are"..."earn"...present tense. Not decades ago.
    Alright, even if there are no APs who earn their income solely from counting cards recently. In blackjack if you find a good game with good penetration you could beat it consistently with card counting but you can't do that with craps. In games like that you will need the suitable situation to occur. What if it never occurs? Than you can't beat it in a consistent basis
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    Quote Originally Posted by seriousplayer View Post
    If craps is beatable how come there is no professional craps players???? When I mean professional crap players I mean players that play craps for a living.
    Who says there are not? I know a few. Did you think it would be smart for them to jump up and down and declare they can beat the casino game that is not really watched because they don't know it is vulnerable. Score that up as the worst idea ever.

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