Table max handicap

**flixo** · 12-22-2013, 05:06 PM

Hi,

What are best things to do when table max handicap us ?
How many boxes can we play maximum to get the highest possible EV ? (no heat problem)
Play all the time 7 boxes ? or play 7 boxes just when we get an edge and 1 box in disavantage ?
What is the best way to do just to MAXIMIZE EV ?

Thanks

**Jabberwocky** · 12-22-2013, 05:23 PM

Originally Posted by flixo

Hi,

What are best things to do when table max handicap us ?
How many boxes can we play maximum to get the highest possible EV ? (no heat problem)
Play all the time 7 boxes ? or play 7 boxes just when we get an edge and 1 box in disavantage ?
What is the best way to do just to MAXIMIZE EV ?

Thanks

Surely your question will produce some very interesting responses.

**Smartpart** · 12-22-2013, 05:33 PM

If you have to play anywhere near 7 spots to get your money down, you need to find a different game.

**bjarg** · 12-22-2013, 05:41 PM

Originally Posted by Smartpart

If you have to play anywhere near 7 spots to get your money down, you need to find a different game.

Question answered.

**RWM** · 12-22-2013, 05:55 PM

Originally Posted by Smartpart

If you have to play anywhere near 7 spots to get your money down, you need to find a different game.

This is not necessarily true, especially in foreign casinos. You may run into situations with great rules, and casinos that have no clue so they let you spread basically min to max. If you listen to the podcasts with BJ Traveler, or read my interview with him you can see that he had some very good wins with low limits.

So to the original poster the max ev would probably be to bet table minimum on one spot unless you have any advantage and then bet all spots at the maximum.

**bjarg** · 12-22-2013, 06:52 PM

I agree with you Richard, money can be made at low limits, but if playing all 7 seats is what makes the game worth somebodys time then its probably not worth it. Casinos can be clueless but they are not stupid. Going from 1 spot at minimum to 7 spots at max might be a bit excessive. Also, if the table max is low and you play like that a good winning session is probably going to hurt the casino to a point where it might be dangerous. There is only one place where i do that and thats only when im waiting for the high limit room to open and they know im fooling around.

**Smartpart** · 12-22-2013, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by RWM

This is not necessarily true, especially in foreign casinos. You may run into situations with great rules, and casinos that have no clue so they let you spread basically min to max. If you listen to the podcasts with BJ Traveler, or read my interview with him you can see that he had some very good wins with low limits.

So to the original poster the max ev would probably be to bet table minimum on one spot unless you have any advantage and then bet all spots at the maximum.

Perhaps wrongly so, I understood the question to be more general. I'm no expert on counting or ST, but I really can't imagine a game that would be worth it in practice to eat so many cards consistently, unless you need to for any kind of effective spread, last round before shuffle excluded. Granted, I really didn't consider overseas conditions which I am not involved in or informed about. What kind of limits and rules would make it worthwhile, necessarily off the top positive? They say no dumb questions, but I feel as if I might be missing the point entirely?

**Norm** · 12-22-2013, 07:12 PM

I know people that play up to all spots in eastern Europe. Wouldn't do it in LV.

**Blitzkrieg** · 12-23-2013, 01:40 AM

Originally Posted by flixo

Hi,

What are best things to do when table max handicap us ?
How many boxes can we play maximum to get the highest possible EV ? (no heat problem)
Play all the time 7 boxes ? or play 7 boxes just when we get an edge and 1 box in disavantage ?
What is the best way to do just to MAXIMIZE EV ?

Thanks

I would think that if you played all 7 positions on the table you are going to get a lot of scrutiny, besides if your betting into an extremely unfavorable deck the casino is going to wipe your @ss clean in a New York minute playing all positions unless you have a nice Bank to weather the storm.

I read an article similar to what you are describing in a way.... It was from this guy called ZenGrifter and he basically described playing multiple hands. The way he described doing it made perfect sense to me.

**Ouchez** · 12-23-2013, 05:31 AM

To worry about table max for most players is just plain stupidity,,for other players just plain greed---which leads to not being able to play at all.

I have played on $5 to $200, $5 to $300, $5 to $500, $3 to $200, $25 to $1000, and many $10 to $500. Now keep in mind I can, and do, swing from 1 to 2 to 3 spots, and I have splits and doubles that can put even more money on the table, and that can amount to alot of money on a $5 to $10 table. I pay attention to mins, since I have a liking to play all, which can often be essential to STing, unless you are BCing and jump into the next shoe and hope you get the cut card, and that can become very obvious to the eye.

Ouchez

**Nyne** · 12-23-2013, 06:34 AM

Ouchez, what if you are somewhere that the max is low enough the game isn't worth your time if you can only play one or 2 spots? If there is no other playable game, and you have no intentions of returning, getting barred might not be a big deterrent, especially if you are playing internationally and aren't worried about databases, or if you are already heavily databased. Taking a game that you'd otherwise consider unplayable and turning it into a decent game, when not concerned about getting tossed, isn't greedy, it's smart.

**bigplayer** · 12-23-2013, 11:22 AM

Don't play more than 2 boxes until you've maxed them out, then add extra boxes only as you need them until you get the amount of money on the table that you need. You don't want to play more boxes than you need as you'll be eating up your positive rounds.

**flixo** · 12-23-2013, 02:06 PM

Thanks you for your answer RWM (and the others)

Originally Posted by bigplayer

Don't play more than 2 boxes until you've maxed them out, then add extra boxes only as you need them until you get the amount of money on the table that you need. You don't want to play more boxes than you need as you'll be eating up your positive rounds.

I don't understand what you mean ?
I thought like RWM mentionned I have to play 1 spot of minbet in disavantage and 7 spots of maxtable in advantage situation ....
I remenber you that I have no heat where I play (and this is not my question)
I just want to know how to JUST MAXIMIZE EV on the table when we are handicap by the Max no matter the risk or heat ... which betting to adopt to get the more money we can ...

Thanks