Is electronic Blackjack beatable?

**Pacman** · 12-18-2013, 11:56 AM

If there's a device that is reading the cards and then displaying them, im sure they could easily keep count and weed out counters.
~Pacman

**Blitzkrieg** · 12-18-2013, 11:58 AM

Originally Posted by njrich

House advantage according to the game rules. Most AC games are h17 and das and no surrender. The 6 deck s17 tables are all High limit(mostly) the HA is .38 I believe.
The PA games which are 60 miles away and offer s17 and late surrender are .33 HA or .32. There is an edge calculator in the BJ resources section.

Okay I got it lol, HA. I've been learning more about AC games and from what I have been reading and from what people have been saying in blogs about AC BJ games, it doesn't seem like it's the best venue for BJ as far as rules go.

**Blitzkrieg** · 12-18-2013, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by Pacman

If there's a device that is reading the cards and then displaying them, im sure they could easily keep count and weed out counters.
~Pacman

True, but that's if the programmer wrote some kind of an algorithm within the programming to keep the count. That may be giving the house too much credit. If the surveillance crew had the count upstairs could you trust those guys? I mean really. A big player would be just a phone call or text away for when the table is HOT. Not a very smart move for a house of ill repute. Using there own technology against them wouldn't you say?

**Three** · 12-18-2013, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Blitzkrieg

True, but that's if the programmer wrote some kind of an algorithm within the programming to keep the count. That may be giving the house too much credit. If the surveillance crew had the count upstairs could you trust those guys? I mean really. A big player would be just a phone call or text away for when the table is HOT. Not a very smart move for a house of ill repute. Using there own technology against them wouldn't you say?

I think I remember Las Vegas casinos getting in trouble for cheating using these machines. They were using them to catch counters and started shuffling away good counts which was using a device to alter the odds of the game. It is just as illegal for the casinos to do it as it is for you to use a device to change the odds of the game.

**RWM** · 12-18-2013, 05:18 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

I think I remember Las Vegas casinos getting in trouble for cheating using these machines. They were using them to catch counters and started shuffling away good counts which was using a device to alter the odds of the game. It is just as illegal for the casinos to do it as it is for you to use a device to change the odds of the game.

LOL, show me a case where that happened. Casinos have preferentially shuffled for decades. Yes it should be considered cheating but I have never heard of a case where gaming told them to stop.

**bjarg** · 12-18-2013, 05:47 PM

Originally Posted by RWM

LOL, show me a case where that happened. Casinos have preferentially shuffled for decades. Yes it should be considered cheating but I have never heard of a case where gaming told them to stop.

richard, is so good to see you posting on a regular basis again.
You were missed.

**Three** · 12-18-2013, 05:53 PM

It's a fuzzy memory. Possibly another jurisdiction or some other issue with Mindplay machines (i think that is what they are called).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheating_in_casinos

Look at the section on Methods of Cheating by casinos. Mindplay is listed as "using a computer to gain an edge, which is illegal in most jurisdictions".

**RWM** · 12-18-2013, 05:56 PM

Yes it should be illegal but casinos are never pulled up for this. And why is it different if a dealer just counts without a computer and preferentially shuffles? Players have been making this argument for more than 30 years but it falls on deaf ears.