Does anyone know a good lawyer in the northeast that handles cases for APs/casino patrons?
Jentho, were you manhandled by security, had all your comps points stolen with a back-off, caught the casino cheating???? Can you tell us a little more about your negative experience........................................ ........ State Reg. or Tribal??Originally Posted by Jentho
Ouchez
State regulated. I would never consider action against an Indian casino, waste of time and money.
We were trespassed (without ever even a back off) and they demanded we provide ID. Obviously they do not need your ID if all they want is you off their property. We tried to leave but state police came before we were anywhere near an exit. If youve never had state police called you should know they have an office in the casino. These guys are thugs and very friendly with the casino. In my experience, they never uphold the law they are there to aid the casino and do their bidding. We told the police we are leaving they have no right to our ID because we are under no suspicion of committing a crime. After 5 minutes of trying to talk sense into them they said we were being detained for "investigatory detention for cheating". Obviously we were not cheating. I told them that's a lie and they know it. I told them I am leaving and they handcuffed me and brought me to their office in the casino. A point I forgot to add was I agreed to show the police my ID outside the casino and they were not to show the casino. This was not good enough for them.
Exactly why I never understood why players on here feel bad for the casino and want to use any type of ethics. **** ethics I would do anything I can to beat the casino, and you just enforced my point how crooked they really are. When you begin to be treated unfairly by them it all makes even more sense to never follow any ethics, why should you, if they don't follow any either? **** casinos and I hope no one ever follows any type of morals within a casino and do everything they can to make money off of them.
I have always used casino control and got satisfaction. In one state it is the Lottery commission. In another it is Casino Control. They gave the casinos huge fines for violating the law and forced them to change the way they do business. I don't get backed off and will not be cheated. I know how far to push an issue and how to use the iron fist in a velvet glove approach. At some point the confrontation is fruitless and the authorities are called in to take over. Then it is out of your hands After each incident I was allowed to play at the offending casinos with no repercussions. You can't win every fight and you must know when to holdem and when to foldem. Once you tag out to the authorities anything can happen. I am a cynic and didn't think the casinos would get heat but in each instance I was wrong. The authorities did their duty. Casinos were forced to deal far games and change their felts to display the proper rules and payed 6 figure fines. I won't go into any more detail because while the casinos know who did this to them they don't know my online name.
I tried really hard to settle the issues directly with the casinos and warned them not to force me to contact the authorities but they tried to be the heavyweight bully. They forced my hand and got what they deserved. I guess they figured that I wouldn't make the call that I threatened. My advice to all APs is have the regulating authority of the casino on speed dial. Since I did that all disputes are settled by me in the casino. I drop a name and get my cell phone out and they stop being unreasonable.
I wish all jurisdictions were like the ones I have had to deal with. It really helps you if you know the jurisdictions regulations for how the game must be dealt and the payoffs and misdeal procedures. I carry a copy of the regs with me ever since the one casino refused to produce one upon request as required by law. That casino really tried to bully me. They even sent in a huge intimidating looking guy to bully me. It was pretty pathetic because I don't get intimidated, it just pissed me off. I think the guy got fired or lost the license to hold his position. I had gone up the food chain to the highest authority on duty and that person didn't want to talk to me but wanted to stand there while this massive fellow that was called in yelled at me. I was not at all intimidated but was inspired and pissed off. That was their biggest mistake. I might have blown the incident off if it weren't for that. It cost them a huge fine.
I have filtered through almost every lawyer in PA, NJ, and even some in NY, there are only a handfull that would be remotely interested in patron abuse cases, you will need to "sell you case to them" start learning as much as you can about how you can sell the lawyers on the value of your case citing similar cases and make sure you have evidence in hand so you can make it look really good for them, otherwise, you will have to front out all of the attourney fees instead of getting it taken on a contingency basis. Most attourneys want to treat them like personal injury cases, and they "dont see damages" therefore, they dont want the case, and that will be the end of your interview with them as soon as they reach that conclusion
OP,
If you were trespassed the police need your ID to do the paper work, so I believe they had cause for asking, demanding.
Now if you were on Tribal, got off the Res. and then pulled over for the same reason by the state regulated police forces, they would have no grounds for the stop, asking for ID etc.,,,and if doing so would be liable for a huge law suite and possible criminal charges.
Now, what were you doing that caused all this ruckus?
Ouchez
Trespass is a different story. But yes, never give up ID without cause to the proper authority, and a casino security is sure as hell not proper,,F-them. Walk out, keep walking until off premise, you are a free man, act like it!
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