I never see other APs

[Ouchez]

btw, see you are from detroit...spent about 5 mos there this year...played with VERY FEW skilled players, and less than 3 counters total trip...and if you're not playing high limit and your not playing at greektown, you are a complete and total moron...edit: not you personally, bro...just in general...other 3 casinos not even worth playing...unless you get thrown out of gt, of course ;(.....edit 2: gt high limit is low limit $25 min...need to play $50-100 for same rules..nuff said

Sharky, there is truth in what you say, but then again it depends on the type of SKILLZ set you can bring to the game, as to how high one truly ranks GT.

As to the BS talent of the Detroit players, I have been very surprised at how well most played,,but then again I played only the high limit tables, and very much enjoyed the company.

Best,
Ouchez

[ZenKinG]

doesn't make any sense to me...not even a little bit...if you think you are ap and can't identify one at your table, relatively quickly no less, sorry, my friend, i know ap's and you are not one

ouch.. sharkbite

[DBJT]

ouch.. sharkbite

Heh. Mosquito bite more like it

[DBJT]

Also dead wrong about "only Greektown" -- MotorCity's high limit room is comparable to GT's game nowadays (6D, $25 daytime, decent PEN) not to mention "OTHER THINGS" which shall remain UNDISCUSSED in public (actual AP's know to what I refer).

Missing all THAT by a country mile don't make someone an A.P. now, does it? LOL Srsly, buzzing mosquitos = just annoying, and here I thought summertime was over: November isn't it...?

-DBJT

[Smartpart]

I see an AP previously unknown to me every few months.

This.

if you think you are ap and can't identify one at your table, relatively quickly no less, sorry, my friend, i know ap's and you are not one

Also this.

[Solo player]

I see skilled players(not just CC'ers) from time to time. Can't say it's rare but definitely not common to spot one. More often than not it's very disappointing when one is spotted due to limited playable games. I think skilled players are easy to spot.


Just last week I spotted my first cheater. Saw the move twice. First time I wasn't sure what I just saw, but the second time confirmed it.

[DBJT]

Just to be clear, my POINT is NOT that there are a ton of AP's out there... clearly there isn't. Duh.

But it's just the height of arrogance IMHO for any AP to assume he can *always* quickly identify another AP, regardless of that other players skill.

Sure, a simple card-counter can ID another counter of similar, or lesser, skill & ability. No Shít, Sherlock. BUT for that "beginner counter" to assume he can "always" quickly ID "any" and "every" possibly more ADVANCED-skill player... well, that's just blind ignorance and EGO rearing it's ugly head.

But, once again, we're seeing around here that EGO doesn't serve the real interests of Advantage Players, aren't we.

Some people may have learned a three-level count and memorized a ton of index plays, but they still gotta lot to learn...

-DBJT

[bigplayer]

That's about right, there aren't that many AP's in the universe. Casinos spend a ton of money on countermeasures for card counters and advantage players because they budgeted that much to spend and they were talked into it by loss prevention consultants. Look at how much the U.S. spends on defense (as much as the next 10 defense spenders in the world put together). You don't really think our country is under a security threat commensurate with that amount of defense spending. Bill Zender (oddly enough a casino consultant) is really good at pointing out the ludicrous things casinos do in the name of security that actually cost them millions of revenue.

[Goatlife]

i dunno if its me or not but i can spot someone up to something alot of the time. I have seen some weird **** in the casino when i know somone was up to something. It was either a super advance plays or a cheating move that i couldnt figure it out.

most of the time i can spot a card counter before they even sit down at a table. It takes one to know one. Almost all the time i can spot a counter if there playing in the same pit as me and i really don't need to watch there game to be supicious. The biggest give away is how they interact with the pit. Most people are either very timmid, quite and focused on what there doing or they are either way out of line and way too much of " counter babble"

How i spot people up to something that i dont understand like a super advanced play or a cheating move is by there body language. What i do in a casino is always follow the money. I am young in my ap career but what i learned so far is really dont believe anything anybody says about conditions or learning advance stuff. I want to do the research myself. With that being said i am always looking for things and i follow the money in the casino. What i mean is i watch for larger wagers and just to watch because i figure most successful aps arent going to bet small. Sometimes this leads leads me to believe someone is up to something and the biggest give away is making eye contact with that person and them moving away from ur stare pretty quick. You know there up to something but you can't figure it out. I then store the memory and see if i can figure out what there doing. Most the time i cant but i store all those memories until the day something clicks.

[DBJT]

most of the time i can spot a card counter before they even sit down

THAT is very true, actually... "un-cloaked" back-counting is one thing that's pretty easy to pick off. The WAY many counters will watch a game, and how they move around the pit, is very much different from a casual gambler just wandering the floor. Aspiring back-counters would be wise to study the differences and try to learn how to emulate the latter, to not be tagged as the former (by surveillance OR by other counters!)

Everything else you wrote, SmallCap, is very astute. You're one who "gets it", I suspect, unlike some others with less introspection... kudos to you, sir

-DBJT

[Shark]

I disagree. You will often see better players at mediocre games because they watched less.
For example, which do you think is watched more closely - the small S17 pit at MGM Grand with its infamous "counter catcher" DD game or the other pits with 6 or 8D H17 games?

I don't play either .

[Three]

Smallcap, you may want to rethink that last post. I think the info is only useful to one side of the table and you don't want to be helping them. No need to educate the them.

[Sharky]

plz re-read post, clearly said if NOT playing HL....btw, try watching the SPREAD of these 'psuedo' aps, that's what separates the men from the boys