Which of these two games is better to play?
Game 1:
6 decks
75% or more penetration
H17
Side bets available
Game 2:
8 decks
75% penetration
S17
no side bets
Both games:
DA2
RSA, 3 times up to 4 hands
DAS
no surrender
$10-15 minimum
The only reason I mention the side bets is because they slow things down a little. I don't play them.
The 8D game has a slightly lower house edge due to S17, but the penetration on both leaves much to be desired.
I believe the more playable game is the 6D, especially if pen is > 75%. More accurately betting combined with a good spread will more than make up the S17/H17 difference. If the penetration on the 8D ever approached 85-87%, however, I'd switch.
-BJO
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Clearly, the 6 d game is better - 2 reasonsOriginally Posted by BugsySeagull
1. More hands per hour as you have indicated there are game slowing side bets on 8d, however no mention of side bets on the 6 d game.
2. With each game having 75% pen, there will be more volatility on the 6d game which will produce a higher percentage of positive count situations than the 8d game.
Be prepared to ramp fast - game rules and pen on the 6d game are not for the faint of heart. Have not simmed, but clearly beatable.
6D is better, better penetration compared to 8D. H17/S17 isn't a huge difference for a card-counter, since the house edge for H17 decreases as the count increases. But, if the side-bets slow the 6D down to a crawl...then neither game is really that good, IMO.
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No it doesn't.
H17 Cost at +30 True Count 0.17%
H17 Cost at 0 True Count 0.18%
H17 Cost at -30 True Count 0.55%
The cost goes up in negative counts, it does not really go down in positive counts. It is, of course a bit lower than the 0.2% most commonly sited, but that is for flat betting basic strategy players. The 0.02% gain in neutral counts and 0.03% gain in really high counts isn't anything to write home about.
The 6D is the better game but only slightly so. 75% on 6 deck is 78 cards, 75% on 8 deck is 104 Cards. The number of cards cutoff is the key. Unfortunately, h17 at those penetration levels is worth about 26 cards of penetration so both of these games are about equally rotten. I wouldn't recommend playing either of them, at least unless you have something else going on with it (mail, whatever)
Last edited by bigplayer; 11-06-2013 at 03:13 AM.
I hope that the reader reads thrice through big player's truly excellent post (#8)
Notes: If the 8 deckers has Late Surrender, it would be about as good as the S17 game.
Add in Re-Split Aces and it will be superior.
Re: penetration
If you compare two games, one of which is S17, the other H17 a difference in penetration
of approximately one half deck offers an essentially equal playing opportunity, especially so
if the player utilizes a strong count with a full set of Late Surrender indices and an aggressive spread.
Last edited by ZenMaster_Flash; 11-06-2013 at 07:51 AM.
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