disadvantaged and desperate

[hardin county boy]

You received no answer because the question is a non sequitur. It's like asking what an AP does when someone spills a salt shaker. The question makes no sense.

norm, thanks for a good coupla months and hard work on a good site. good luck with the revamp.

[DBJT]

By the way, I might add that "the team-play thing" all by itself is probably enough of a retort to your original post's premise

The AP approach enables a team-play attack, wherein all co-operating players benefit together by each others involvement... essentially turning the tables on the casino, seizing control of the mathematical profit engine that normally the casino uses AGAINST the players. (This is true for a solo player too, of course, but team-play just increases the numbers so that a profit for everyone involved is much more likely, even virtually guaranteed.)

Conversely, there is no such thing as a "Progressionist Team"... or at least I'd wager there's never been a successful one.

The only thing that a team of progression players would accomplish is that all team members will just go broke together faster.

-DBJT

[Rainmaker]

on the subject of difference between AP and disadvantage, i am intrigued by "fishing holes", those tables that simply intend to pay players for hours and hours for who knows why. i know what disadvantage guys do (stay) but am curious on 2 points regarding AP:

1) at such a table do AP sometimes stay a very long time or does a count change or heat usually make hours and hours at such a table an unlikely experience?

2) i walk into each casino with the accurate/voodoo notion such a table MIGHT be in there somewhere so if i dont see it at the first table, i get moving, try to hit most of the tables in hopes. does the AP usually "sample" a lot of tables in a casino or just a few? ( i understand all voodoo, could leave a table just as it becomes fishing hole or arrive at a fishing hole as it peters out--i know.)

These questions are not non sequiturs, based on the assumption you are fairly slow and are genuinely attempting to learn more about AP. I can understand smallcap's reaction because your purpose here is unclear. I think your reaction was justified, however, because you specifically requested no one taunt you. And so they do. Then it is your fault. Been there. I will attempt to answer your questions.

1) At such a table, I would play for a long time because I do marathon sessions in one casino and do not table hop. Long after you decided the table went cold, I would remain in the same seat. Many APs would not stay long, because they do short sessions and/or do table hop. So the answer is 'Maybe'. Regardless of whether the AP would stay or go, it would have absolutely nothing to do with the table 'intending to give out money'. Because it is not a hot table. It is in your imagination. You will not win playing like this. You will occassionally get lucky when the AP does not because you are gambling and an AP is investing.

2) I do not sample tables. Many APs do...some more than others. So the answer about scouting the tables ranges from 'none to all'. An AP will look for a favorable dealer who cuts deep, is prone to mispay, deals quickly, or does not draw heat. I assess the penetration at the table; if it is poor, I leave to find a new dealer. We look for table conditions conducive to counting. We do not care if the dealer is busting or the players winning. If anything at all, we prefer the dealer be making hands and the players losing. This would indicate a climbing count, and a possibility that the table may soon be abandoned.

Hope that helps.

[Roscoe]

From here, off to the side, it appears that a number of world-class players are showering your question with attention: so what if the answers are a little brusque: no big deal. The answers are right on; just fearful for anyone who doesn't recognize that progressive betting will lead to their destruction.

[21gunsalute]

This is the disadvantage forum. Your title is "disadvantaged and desperate", which go hand in hand. How can you expect to gain anything positive from something so negative?

[Roscoe]

Most of AP betting's trying to mimic martingale better. There's something so innocent about it; someone playing and betting more when they win because, well, they are winning. The story gets less pleasant when someone loses more than they should have; when they lose their home, for example.

[Dude]

You can't believe the claims of gamblers.

They are more stating an untruth rather than outright lying or they may be lying to themselves. Many slot players I know will say that they won $1,000 but what actually happened is they put a total of $1500 into the machine over the course of the evening and then cashed out for $1,000. The way they look at it is the $1500 was already gone when they walked into the casino. I first became aware of this when after telling a friend that I won $500 last night, she asked, "yeah, but how much did you LOSE?"

[Roscoe]

Really we're all lying to ourselves about important things in our lives. And a new-comer to gambling just let's that creep into reporting about wins in the casino. It's almost (I said almost) beautiful, to see a giant table in a casino, full of optimistic players, all believing and hoping for a great result, although playing at a mathematical disadvantage.

[21gunsalute]

Most of AP betting's trying to mimic martingale better.

Huh?