Me and some associates have posted considerably worse results on these vs hand shuffled games. Not 2sd low but notably worse.
I'm not a conspiracy guy but I've heard various views suggesting that these may not mix the cards super well. I know anything on these things is super sensitive and I will get nothing for free but if someone could tell me about their long run winning record on these it would be great, then I could be less paranoid.
So far so good for me.
I've heard claims of sequencing ASMs (don't believe them, sorry Grifter), and I've heard claims of clumping ASMs (probably don't believe them?).
There may be a questionable place or two but in general they are just more Hands/Hour for the normal counter in my opinion. Bad runs seem to be remembered more vibrantly and when they happen in a new environment (first times at ASMs, first time at a new Casino), and the CCer tends to put blame on that new environment instead of plain old Lady Variance.
Summary: Maybe rarely-possibly something fishy, but more than likely just variance.
~R
"One of these days in your travels, you are going to come across a guy with a nice brand new deck of cards, and this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the Jack of Spades jump out of the deck and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not take this bet, for if you do, as sure as you are standing there, you are going to end up with an ear full of cider."
If the house shuffle is too strong (or you are too weak) for shuffle tracking, then the ASM is preferable due to the increase in speed. In addition, it has been my observation that some personnel tend to treat these as more akin to CSMs than to shoes, alotting them, overall, less attention and protection.Originally Posted by biggg
Last edited by Rainmaker; 10-14-2013 at 02:01 PM.
The only way to find out would be.... buy one and run it night and day and record the sequence of cards. Track the results and eventually you may come to a conclusion. As Aussie Player said.... "Whats your sample size?" You need a big sample size to even consider getting close to attributing your results to the ASM. Also... you should also compare these results to someone that has experience hand shuffling... and they would need to shuffle just as many "shoes" as yor have the ASM.
Not really, most ASM's are capable of being put in different pre-programmed modes, some can be completely reprogrammed manually.
"One of these days in your travels, you are going to come across a guy with a nice brand new deck of cards, and this guy is going to offer to bet you that he can make the Jack of Spades jump out of the deck and squirt cider in your ear. But, son, do not take this bet, for if you do, as sure as you are standing there, you are going to end up with an ear full of cider."
Most places I haven't noticed any difference. One place I do much better on hand shuffle than the machines. No records that tracked the type of shuffle but with enough stores in a rotation you expect one to have a difference between the hand shuffle and the machine. I do find it suspicious that I never had a big shoe, win or lose, on their machines though.
I came here to start a new thread on this topic and I was surprised to find that there was already one.
I had five years of good results playing Blackjack, but starting a year and a half ago when I started playing primarily against ASMs I have lost 328 times my max bet.
I'm interested to know if anyone has good results against these over a large sample. Out of the handful of counters I know and have talked to none are beating them.
I hated having to use them for 2 reasons. The shuffle was a chance for a mental break and the machine took that away.
Reason 2 was having to listen to the players complain about them. I told them the same thing I would suggest to you guys.
Just don't play against them. It's your choice. Personally I won't. If given a choice of that's the only table available or leaving I'm leaving or I'll go play some VP to pump up my comps and have some fun.
Beware the fury of a patient man.
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