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    Single deck opportunity

    So a local casino has told me they plan to soon offer a single deck game with 3:2 Bj. There will probably be doubling on 10&11 only. But most importantly they plan to deal to a fixed number of rounds: 7 minus the number of players. So if you are heads up, you will get six rounds. Sounds pretty good to me. What do you think? The person I spoke to, whom I have never spoken to before, offered this information up quite freely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Finrod View Post
    So a local casino has told me they plan to soon offer a single deck game with 3:2 Bj. There will probably be doubling on 10&11 only. But most importantly they plan to deal to a fixed number of rounds: 7 minus the number of players. So if you are heads up, you will get six rounds. Sounds pretty good to me. What do you think? The person I spoke to, whom I have never spoken to before, offered this information up quite freely.

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    Sounds ok but only doubling on 10 and 11? You will be giving up a lot of EV with that rule.

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    Thunder,

    I understand the lost EV of the doubling restrictions, but it is only a loss over a single deck game that does not have the same restrictions, which there are very few of around here (if any). I was more curious about the reaction to the number of rounds. Most casinos around here seem fairly clueless about the AP opportunities associated with this kind of thing, so I would expect it to remain an opportunity for some time.

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    Sounds okay, probably will be a good game, playable... but I'd believe it when you see it...

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    u can still crush that game easily, notwithstanding any other significant rule changes

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    Attack it with a little bigger spread than a DOA single deck and you'll murder that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitthat16 View Post
    Attack it with a little bigger spread than a DOA single deck and you'll murder that game.
    Quote Originally Posted by ZenKinG View Post
    u can still crush that game easily, notwithstanding any other significant rule changes
    Yeah, that's why I say "believe it when you see it". If/when this game actually appears it could just be a counter-catcher trap setup... casinos know that such a game is crushable (unless they're really more stupid than usual) so even IF it really does appear, caution is in order.

    That said, it MIGHT really happen: for the OP's sake I hope it does

    Had a lot of fun myself a few weeks ago at the typically most sweaty single-deck game in downtown Vegas... laid down a good act awhile first, tested the waters a bit, they appeared to be buyin' it, so I spread like a maniac ("steaming" act) and destroyed 'em.... LOL

    Paid for nearly the whole Vegas trip on that score alone

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    A 1-4 bet spread with a wide range of indexes and occasionally sitting out of double digit negative true counts will crush that game. There is an art to lasting at single deck, but it's my guess that game won't be around very long so I'd play a lot of sessions with a tight session stop win that is below the choke point of the casino. Rathole as much as you can but play the game fairly frequently while avoiding appearing to be a winner. If you take a big loss, let the casino lock it up in their records, losing will buy you a lot of time on that game, chasing losses and refusing to lose at single deck is the quickest route to a backoff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    ...chasing losses and refusing to lose at single deck is the quickest route to a backoff.
    Yeah certainly if I lived in Vegas and wanted to milk this store every day NO WAY would I try the "steaming" angle. But I'm there at this shop just once or twice a year (most recent trip was first visit in over 18 months) and this act is one I've found to result in this place being tolerant of a red... to green... to BLACK spread! (Even then, sometimes they don't buy it).

    But FWIW the "rich stupid tourist stuck and steaming" angle *does* seem to trigger their greed impulse, even in THIS place which is notorious for sweat... LOL. I've been using this on 'em for years, successfully better than about 2 out of 3 attempts, but... yeah, wouldn't be a good idea to try it too often.

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    Kudos to bigplayer.

    You play that game with a narrow range of bets and an exhaustive list of indices.

    You use a level 2 Count or better. I use Hi-Opt II. Advanced Omega II is excellent.

    You side Count Aces and Sevens.

    Bet 2 units off the top and do not increase your bet by more than 100%

    or decrease your bet by more than 50%. "Play All" heads up or with one ploppy player.

    Be aware that ALL casinos offering SD will be closely watching your cumulative win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moses View Post
    Profit of 10 times the table limit per session
    OMG that's way way way too much... 10X "table limit" meaning table MAX? Max even on that nickel game I mention was $500. If you tried to take $5K off that game in ONE sitting you'd be permanent toast for sure.

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    You quit way too early. If you quit play at only a $50 profit, you have no chance of making any real money. How many sessions do you play per day? How long is the average session? A $50 stop-win is going to make it extremely difficult to even cover expenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DBJT View Post
    Yeah certainly if I lived in Vegas and wanted to milk this store every day NO WAY would I try the "steaming" angle. ...

    -DBJT
    Forgive me for not knowing this slang, but what is meant by "steaming"?

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