Hey Dude, Your response was the one that made the most sense to me and I thank you for it.Originally Posted by The Dude
Tonight I tried out your suggestion - played a CSM on a $30 table - bought in for $300, started with $50 bets - up by $25 each loss and down by $10 each win. most consecutive wins was 3 and most consecutive losses was 2. Result I won $200.
Hence I am encouraged to continue this experiment further.
Regards Dsticks
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Did you read this thread?
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Hey UK-21, I did read this thread. What it told me is that you can't count against a CSM game - or at least it is useless to. Which is ok for me as I am not a counter anyway.
The advice is generally to find a shoe game.
My problem is that in Australia at many casinos (and we only have about 14 in the whole country) the CSMs are used exclusively, so if you are visiting an interstate casino this might be the only option you have. In the high roller or VIP areas the games are shoe games, whether dealer shuffled or machine shuffled (usually by a Shufflemaster) so often we are stuck with having to play a CSM table.
As I responded to The Dude above, I have used his advice of playing pure Basic Strategy (as per blackjackinfo.com), and using a gentle increasing my bet on a loss and reducing my bet on a win.
I have now done this a second time - the first result is given above. On a $30 table I bought in for $500, my starting bet was $50 and I increased by $10 on a loss and reduced by $10 on a win. My highest bet was $80 (ie my longest losing streak was 3 in a row, and my longest winning streak was 5 or 6 - the latter was hard to remember as once I got to table minimum I couldn't reduce any further. Once I had a loss on a winning streak I returned to a $50 bet to start the series again. Similarly once I had a win on a losing streak I started again at $50.
Result? I played for about an hour on that table and won $600.
So that is twice played and two wins. I know - this is a very low sample of playing this type of table but it is encouraging nonetheless.
Thank you for the link, and thanks again to The Dude for advice given earlier.
I tried a similar system in my progression days. I did okay for a while and then got hammered. I had an unbelievable run of 12 hours straight without running out the top of a 1-2-3-4-5 progression (up on a loss and down on a win. If all goes well you win i unit times the number of wins but a sufficient losing run of 5 more losses than wins over any time puts you down 15 units offset by 1 unit per win in that time) and won back my losses. I knew how rare that was and was happy to end the experiment ahead before the long run put me way behind. When I finally left the table early in the morning after playing all night the plops were trying to kill each other for my spot. As always to the plops it is the spot and not the plays and bets that cause wins. I think that was the last progression system I tried in a casino. That was at least a couple decades ago. Progressions can put you ahead for a short time. The smart ones get out while they are ahead.
Sound advice I think - if you're $600 up so far, quit while you're ahead and put the money towards, perhaps, a flight to the States?
The UK will be like Australia soon - shoe dealt games and card counting opportunities will be thin on the ground, as a result of the Grosvenor Group recently taking over the Gala Casinos estate with the exception of (I think) five outlets. I give it two years before the re-branding of these ex-Gala casinos is complete and the ubiquitous 1-2-6s to show up on their BJ tables. After that, I suspect there'll be around just a dozen casinos in the UK with shoe dealt Blackjack, and for all but the most dedicated the gig'll be over.
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G'day again UK-21, Thanks again for the advice, and from all others!
I am not in the situation of going to the USA yet and in Melbourne we have plenty of shoe games for me to play still. They are 8 deck shoes though and I seem to recall that the more decks there are the less advantageous the shoe is to count.
I also think this forum is dedicated to advantage play, which seems to be interpreted as meaning counting. I think of myself as an advantage player by the way I play, I just don't count! People may see that differently and say I'd have more success if I learnt how to count. I am successful my way though - ie I make several thousand dollars a year playing BJ.
My question was whether there was any acknowledged way of successfully playing CSM tables - I thank everyone for your responses which summarily says "no there isn't!!"
Regards
Dsticks
You are just temporary winning ,as you play more hands you will have a higher chance of losing. Keep on playing and the chance of winning becomes so small you are certain to lose .I am saying this if you are playing with a disadvantage.You should read up and inform yourself of what it means to play with an advantage ,do not give yourself an excuse to gamble if your goal is to win money.
G'day stopgambling,
Really good to read your advice and thanks for it. It is always good to be reminded that winning doesn't always continue.
I agree on CSM tables I am temporarily winning - it is only twice I have taken the advice of one of the correspondents on this forum and "tried it out" with so far good results. Am I playing with a disadvantage in playing the CSM tables at all - you all suggest, no you all say categorically, yes I am playing with the built-in casino disadvantage and hence I shouldn't play them. I just asked a question for information about CSM tables as the casino I am visiting this weekend only has these tables available for me to play. My question is then - what else do I play, if anything?
The situation is different for how I play shoe games. I play 2 or 3 times a week, I don't count, I do select tables with winning characteristics, I have a table stop-loss limit of 6 net losing bets (ie 6 more losses than wins), I win at just over 40% of tables played, I let a winning table run while locking up any win over 50% of my buy-in, and for over 3 years now I have won several thousand dollars a year. I have therefore played at over 500 tables a year. I don't regard this as "temporarily winning".
My advantage play is bound up in playing strict basic strategy, table selection and money management, not in being a card counter. Some may argue that if I am not counting I am not an advantage player - that's a matter of definition.
Happy punting to everyone - long may we all enjoy whatever advantage we can get!
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