Screwed by the Ploppy

**Pacman** · 08-23-2013, 10:13 AM

First let me say that i understand other people have no effect on your individual hand.
Many times someones blunder will inadvertably save the table. But other times....

Last night i decided to chill at the casino, play a lil spanish, no real stakes, just $100 in my pocket and a meager spread. I enjoy the game and have been practicing for loow stakes. Anyway. I would wong in and +2TC and out at anything beneath with a 1-5 spread

Now i cant help but try to help my fellows at the table, but this one voodoo lady especially ignored me and continued to destroy the table. I was having fun doubling peoples hands for them cause they were being scared but her "superior" play and knowledge of suited matches made her a serious pain.
She had the A7v6 so i suggested she double, she declined, i had the 10v6 so no brainer. Pulled the 4 dealer has the 10 under and pulls a 5 for the sweep. Next card was of course a 10 so dealer wouldve broke. I looked at her with a smile, "I told ya :P" of course it couldve went either way. This I knew

She screwed me on 3 more max bets ($25!!!) for a total of $150 lost to that one lady being a fool. I was on the wrong side of her variance, none of her mistakes "saved" the table.

Anyone remember there worst or best ploppy save/kill? Yes, voodoo. But it still hurts to see if someone had done the right thing, you wouldnt have died.
ps i offered to buy her hand and play it for her. She declined >.< haha

~Pac

**bigplayer** · 08-23-2013, 01:26 PM

Actually other people do have an effect on your individual hand which is why you can get so angry with them. They don't have an effect on your long term win rate though, generally speaking, although players who refuse to bust (and thus don't hit) actually help you a little bit in the long run because preserving big cards in high counts is more valuable than eating low cards in negative counts.

**Pacman** · 08-23-2013, 01:52 PM

Originally Posted by bigplayer

Actually other people do have an effect on your individual hand which is why you can get so angry with them. They don't have an effect on your long term win rate though, generally speaking, although players who refuse to bust (and thus don't hit) actually help you a little bit in the long run because preserving big cards in high counts is more valuable than eating low cards in negative counts.

So in the short run they DO screw you, but overall itll balance out? Bah! Well now my anger is more justified

i feel better haha.
and thats a good point. Perhaps from now on when people ask me if they should hit against 7 thru A in high counts ill tell them No!!! Haha

~Pac

**Shark** · 08-23-2013, 02:45 PM

I was playing 2 hands of 400 that with splits and doubles ended up to be 8 *400 on the table. Third base playing 10 wants to split his face cards. Fellow players are scolding him and telling him that I have 3200 on the table and he is messing the cards. He ask me what to do. I tell him to do as he likes. He splits the faces , dealer busts . Had he not split I'd win a few bets and lose a the rest of them. i didn't bother to see how many. I never care what would have happened since I am not getting paid (or paying) for that.

The cut card was out already so there wasn't going to be another round anyway.

**Freightman** · 08-23-2013, 03:18 PM

Originally Posted by Shark

I was playing 2 hands of 400 that with splits and doubles ended up to be 8 *400 on the table. Third base playing 10 wants to split his face cards. Fellow players are scolding him and telling him that I have 3200 on the table and he is messing the cards. He ask me what to do. I tell him to do as he likes. He splits the faces , dealer busts . Had he not split I'd win a few bets and lose a the rest of them. i didn't bother to see how many. I never care what would have happened since I am not getting paid (or paying) for that.

The cut card was out already so there wasn't going to be another round anyway.

Sometimes they help you, other times they help you. At the end of the day, it's a wash, though sometimes a frustrating one. I'm sure we all have multiple stories on the same topic

**Three** · 08-23-2013, 03:49 PM

I had a ploppy that had gotten lucky a wiped out the blacks in the tray. He kept pressing his bets. The next shoe the count was low I am just betting the smallest i can get away with. The guy is betting table max now so we have an audience at the computer who must track every bet the guy makes and how they affect the blacks and purples in the tray. It is a small joint and table max isn't terribly high. He starts getting chicken. He split a hand against a crappy dealer upcard but was afraid to double. I should have offered to pick it up because it was the best double in the game but then I would take his ability to take another card which hurts him. I don't like doing that unless it is offered to me. Anyway the guy catches an ace and given the count it was an easy hit and the guy correctly hits busting his hand with the face card that would have busted the dealer. Of course the dealer then hits out causing him to lose his other hand. I explained to him that his hand was only a good split if he intended on taking advantage of doubling it should the opportunity arise. He wasn't exactly clueless even though not an AP. I think he got it. He was a nice player who never complained about my play, even though my unusual moves cost him often. I think he noticed that my unusual plays helped at least as often.

**Freightman** · 08-23-2013, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by Tthree

I had a ploppy that had gotten lucky a wiped out the blacks in the tray. He kept pressing his bets. The next shoe the count was low I am just betting the smallest i can get away with. The guy is betting table max now so we have an audience at the computer who must track every bet the guy makes and how they affect the blacks and purples in the tray. It is a small joint and table max isn't terribly high. He starts getting chicken. He split a hand against a crappy dealer upcard but was afraid to double. I should have offered to pick it up because it was the best double in the game but then I would take his ability to take another card which hurts him. I don't like doing that unless it is offered to me. Anyway the guy catches an ace and given the count it was an easy hit and the guy correctly hits busting his hand with the face card that would have busted the dealer. Of course the dealer then hits out causing him to lose his other hand. I explained to him that his hand was only a good split if he intended on taking advantage of doubling it should the opportunity arise. He wasn't exactly clueless even though not an AP. I think he got it. He was a nice player who never complained about my play, even though my unusual moves cost him often. I think he noticed that my unusual plays helped at least as often.

I was at a hi limit table when a poppy buys in for $200. Within a half hour, he's playing 3x500. After a total play time of 1 hour, he walks with 14k. Absolutely hilarious.

**8675309** · 08-23-2013, 05:46 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

I was at a hi limit table when a poppy buys in for $200. Within a half hour, he's playing 3x500. After a total play time of 1 hour, he walks with 14k. Absolutely hilarious.

I find it more sad than hilarious.....I could use 14 K...especially from $200......lol

**Rudy** · 08-23-2013, 07:16 PM

6 months ago, dealer shows a 9, I had 2x100 with 5-6 double down a 9, the other hand a 20, ploppy next to me with 1x500 (drug dealer) with 5-5, splits!!! first card a 10, hits another one, a 10 and busted, next 5 hits another 10, and he stand with 15! Dealer turns a 2.... you know the end of the story. F**ck the long term, cost me $300 that night and at least 2 "monkeys" for the next round...

**Three** · 08-23-2013, 07:29 PM

If you are relating the story right The dealer would have added the second T to his 9,2 for 21. You would have lost your bets but still had the T's coming your way on the next round and maybe another round at the end of the shoe.

RS · 08-23-2013, 10:01 PM

Playing blackjack, just me and 2 other players, I'm in last position (but one open chair to my left).

Count gets nice n high, warranting a max bet. Player to my right moved and sat down to my left. Of course, he gets a blackjack and I get some sh*t stiff vs face. That would have been my blackjack. He kept getting good hands and winning all of them, with doubles and splits, the whole nine yards. I keep losing.

So yeah, he ACTUALLY took all of my hands.

**Timbertom** · 08-23-2013, 10:29 PM

Many, many times I have sat at a table and watched ploppies increase their bets in negative counts, make very bad plays and continue to win. I sit there playing correctly and they make money while I don't. I keep telling myself about the long run, but the short run can be very frustrating. I usually play in a play all situation so I often can not leave a negative shoe.

**Pacman** · 08-24-2013, 12:57 AM

Originally Posted by RollingStoned

Playing blackjack, just me and 2 other players, I'm in last position (but one open chair to my left).

Count gets nice n high, warranting a max bet. Player to my right moved and sat down to my left. Of course, he gets a blackjack and I get some sh*t stiff vs face. That would have been my blackjack. He kept getting good hands and winning all of them, with doubles and splits, the whole nine yards. I keep losing.

So yeah, he ACTUALLY took all of my hands.

First or Third Base FTW!!