Buying "surrender hands" from other players

**Freightman** · 09-07-2013, 08:49 AM

The humor continues

**21gunsalute** · 09-08-2013, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by Tthree

Your argument is ridiculous. It is a near unanimous sentiment that you argued a moot point that could only occur if you planned on renegging on the original deal. Like I said over and over again this renegging is a danger in any scavenger play. Your continuing to argue that you would do this is evidence it is a real danger. Nobody would buy your surrender unless it was plus EV. The only way they would split it is if you changed the deal after the fact. If you can't admit this then you clearly are just someone that can't change their position no matter how much evidence proves them wrong. This definitely appears to be the case. I think if you examine the case of someone agreeing with you, you will find it to be sarcastic humor not actual agreement. You ma have gotten one person to agree out of sympathy. The overwhelming majority found your position beyond ridiculous and found your faith in such fantasy very humorous.

No, you're the one arguing a moot point! I said right from the get go that if you ever attempted to buy my surrender it would be according to my terms, which are that we split the proceeds 50/50. You intentionally twisted this into saying that I was reneging on deal. Wrong! I'd never make such a deal, and I've stated such several times throughout this thread. If you want in on my hand it's going to be according to my terms, because I'm the original bettor and I still control the hand. I've made this abundantly clear throughout the thread but you keep trying to put your own twist on it. You then intentionally went out of your way to make an outlandish accusation that I'd make a bad teammate, based on absolutely nothing but your own lies, which still wouldn't add up to being a bad teammate even if your lies were true. You then alluded to me being a troll when you know full well I'm no troll. You've obviously been here long enough and over at Blakjackinfo.com to know full well that I'm no troll, and have added a lot to the discussions both here and there. This is obviously nothing but another attempt by you to assassinate my character instead of addressing our disagreement, or agreeing to disagree. Then you issued an "apology" where you took no responsibility or blame for your intentional misdeeds against me and my persona, simply saying you were sorry for how things went. That sir is no apology! Blaming circumstances or fate for what transpired instead of taking responsibility and regret for your own misdeeds is not an acceptable apology...it's just more deflections and "window dressing".

**21gunsalute** · 09-08-2013, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Ouchez

Tthree,

I think those involved in this thread that have made attacks upon the character and reputation of 21 should realize they went over the top in their verbal assaults, developed a mob mentality and then attacked, much as H.S. bullies would. I think it is time to apologize to 21 for the personal attacks, and simply agree to disagree on the scavenge play tactic being discussed in this thread. I do know that I, KJ, and Tbonz have expressed the opinion that the real world execution of this scavenge play is suicidal, and I think many more feel the same.

Again, I know 21 to be a very skilled AP, and a gentlemen, that puts in many hours of play each month and has been backed off or worse in several casinos. He is a true veteran that deserves respect and he for sure has mine. He is a true BJ Warrior, and a true BJ Warrior does not take insults concerning his play lightly, you are seeing that now in this thread on the part of 21.

So please, let all those involved apologize for the insults to 21, it is the right thing to do, and we will all think much better of you for doing so, and you will feel better also.

Ouchez

Thank you Ouchez. I don't really expect these individuals to issue any kind of real apology though. They've shown their true colors all throughout this thread.

**Math Demon** · 09-08-2013, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by metronome

I may be the 20w. refrigerator bulb in the 200w. BJ universe ...

You, Sir, are one of the brightest stars in the BJ universe. Thank you!

**Freightman** · 09-08-2013, 10:23 AM

Originally Posted by Math Demon

You, Sir, are one of the brightest stars in the BJ universe. Thank you!

Certainly one of the better posts in this thread. When I get home this afternoon, think ill respond to the mutual admiration society. Maybe we can get his thread going for another dozen pages or so.

**Freightman** · 09-08-2013, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by 21gunsalute

Thank you Ouchez. I don't really expect these individuals to issue any kind of real apology though. They've shown their true colors all throughout this thread.

I can't recall calling you stupid or dumb throughout his thread - though I may have inferred it - I certainly thought it. I confess - you're pig headed and stubborn too, though nothing wrong with that (in itself)

I can neither control nor influence your irrational position. To apologize for it would be ludicrous to the extreme.

This thread could have died a thousand deaths, though I suspect it will continue.

**Freightman** · 09-08-2013, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Ouchez

Tthree,

I think those involved in this thread that have made attacks upon the character and reputation of 21 should realize they went over the top in their verbal assaults, developed a mob mentality and then attacked, much as H.S. bullies would. I think it is time to apologize to 21 for the personal attacks, and simply agree to disagree on the scavenge play tactic being discussed in this thread. I do know that I, KJ, and Tbonz have expressed the opinion that the real world execution of this scavenge play is suicidal, and I think many more feel the same.

Again, I know 21 to be a very skilled AP, and a gentlemen, that puts in many hours of play each month and has been backed off or worse in several casinos. He is a true veteran that deserves respect and he for sure has mine. He is a true BJ Warrior, and a true BJ Warrior does not take insults concerning his play lightly, you are seeing that now in this thread on the part of 21.

So please, let all those involved apologize for the insults to 21, it is the right thing to do, and we will all think much better of you for doing so, and you will feel better also.

Ouchez

My brief activity in this site leads me to believe that you are one if the grand poobahs of the site. No disrespect intended, though it seems to me me you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you think this thread is tough, IMHO, this is a walk in the park. Certainly, it is your prerogative to defend an individual whom you describe as a gentleman and true BJ warrior. That may well be so, however, his social interaction skills could certainly use a refresher course. What you describe as attacks are simply responses to his apparent maniacal need to have the last word, defend an indefensible position. What makes this thread even more humorous is that it is a theoretical discussion - really - who cares.

Seems to me that we are on page 19 of this thread. What's the record?

**Freightman** · 09-08-2013, 12:08 PM

The humor continues

**stopgambling** · 09-08-2013, 01:26 PM

I do not understand how one can argue for so long . i do not agreed with 21 ,maybe he is also a defense lawyer that's why he's so good at arguing. most don't seem to agree with 21 as with i. LET'S DO A POLL and see what everyone votes ,no names involve. i hope this "thing" ends . i apologize for my poor english and grammars. Put this thing to rest .

**Jabberwocky** · 09-08-2013, 02:35 PM

[QUOTE=stopgambling;110381]I do not understand how one can argue for so long . i do not agreed with 21 ,maybe he is also a defense lawyer that's why he's so good at arguing. most don't seem to agree with 21 as with i. LET'S DO A POLL

We don't need to conduct a poll. We already know who's right and who isn't.

**21gunsalute** · 09-08-2013, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by Freightman

My brief activity in this site leads me to believe that you are one if the grand poobahs of the site. No disrespect intended, though it seems to me me you're barking up the wrong tree.

If you think this thread is tough, IMHO, this is a walk in the park. Certainly, it is your prerogative to defend an individual whom you describe as a gentleman and true BJ warrior. That may well be so, however, his social interaction skills could certainly use a refresher course. What you describe as attacks are simply responses to his apparent maniacal need to have the last word, defend an indefensible position. What makes this thread even more humorous is that it is a theoretical discussion - really - who cares.

Look in the mirror. Just re-read all the crap you've written just on this page alone (referring to page 19). Theoretical discussions are fine, as are disagreements, but these verbal barbs and attacks are completely uncalled for and do nothing but diminish your position.

**21gunsalute** · 09-08-2013, 03:47 PM

Originally Posted by stopgambling

I do not understand how one can argue for so long . i do not agreed with 21 ,maybe he is also a defense lawyer that's why he's so good at arguing. most don't seem to agree with 21 as with i. LET'S DO A POLL and see what everyone votes ,no names involve. i hope this "thing" ends . i apologize for my poor english and grammars. Put this thing to rest .

Okay, so you don't agree with me and that's fine. I have no problem with you. I don't believe you've attacked me here like some others have. That being said, what good is a poll going to do? Are we supposed to change our opinions and beliefs if we get outvoted? Are we supposed to change our opinions and beliefs because a few individuals decide to tell lies about us and drag our name through the mud? Not me. I defend myself against unwarranted attacks and refuse to be swayed by the brainwashing tactics of the masses.