Dealer call-outs

[Math Demon]

What are the instances in which the dealer has to "call out" to the floor or PB?


As such, are these the actions and plays that draw attention?

Hitting hard 17s or above?
Doubling stiff hands?
Splitting tens?
Doubling for less?
Doubling 8?


Do they call out when you surrender some stiff hands of 12-14? Do they call surrenders for 15-16? How about 17?

Do they call out "black action" when the bet is $100? How about $90? How about a rainbow bet of $100?

When do they call "checks play"?

Are there other plays?


Thanks,
MD

[Three]

Around my neck of the woods the callouts generate no heat except MAYBE splitting TT. It is to prevent shot taking. A player will take a shot of a move nobody would do and if it works out great, if not the make the argument that nobody would do it. The floor will usually grant one such shot per player. If the dealer yells out doubling hard 12 and waits for the floor to acknowledge same, it is hard to argue you didn't mean to do it. They just prevented your shot and you made a dumb move. I have never gotten heat for splitting TT. Most floorman are totally uninterested in the call. They may walk over to se how large you bet is but don't seem to run to the phone. You never know what the eye is doing though. I had a call come down immediately after splitting TT but the attention was immediately to the other end of the pit. Maybe a mispay or something. Of course each store and shift is unique. Learn to read the ones you frequent and decide for yourself what concerns them. I make a lot of odd plays because I process more and better information than most. It usually gets me branded an idiot. Sounds good to me.

You have got to play your gut. You know playing by the book is a losing proposition.

[Three]

They call out black action mostly for rating purposes. The floor has a responsibility to know how much is won by bigger players so they can have a handle on employee theft. Rainbow bets just are not appreciated much. You are making them work harder and slow down the number of hands per hour. Hands per hour is money in the casino's pockets. Every procedure that costs the number of hands per hour is money lost by the casino. Weak penetration, side bets and anything else that lowers the hands/hour cost the casino greatly. The most profitable games for the casino are deeply dealt with an eye for any real threats.

[Math Demon]

Around my neck of the woods the callouts generate no heat except MAYBE splitting TT. It is to prevent shot taking. A player will take a shot of a move nobody would do and if it works out great, if not the make the argument that nobody would do it. The floor will usually grant one such shot per player. If the dealer yells out doubling hard 12 and waits for the floor to acknowledge same, it is hard to argue you didn't mean to do it. They just prevented your shot and you made a dumb move. I have never gotten heat for splitting TT. Most floorman are totally uninterested in the call. They may walk over to se how large you bet is but don't seem to run to the phone. You never know what the eye is doing though. I had a call come down immediately after splitting TT but the attention was immediately to the other end of the pit. Maybe a mispay or something. Of course each store and shift is unique. Learn to read the ones you frequent and decide for yourself what concerns them. I make a lot of odd plays because I process more and better information than most. It usually gets me branded an idiot. Sounds good to me.

You have got to play your gut. You know playing by the book is a losing proposition.

They call out black action mostly for rating purposes. The floor has a responsibility to know how much is won by bigger players so they can have a handle on employee theft. Rainbow bets just are not appreciated much. You are making them work harder and slow down the number of hands per hour. Hands per hour is money in the casino's pockets. Every procedure that costs the number of hands per hour is money lost by the casino. Weak penetration, side bets and anything else that lowers the hands/hour cost the casino greatly. The most profitable games for the casino are deeply dealt with an eye for any real threats.

Hello Tthree! I am a relative newbie. There are just so many things still to learn.


"decide for yourself what concerns them." <-- call-outs and concerns are different, check!

"You have got to play your gut." <-- Sorry! Not much gut to play with. Peace!

"I make a lot of odd plays because I process more and better information than most. It usually gets me branded an idiot."
<-- We Mock What We Don't Understand"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ePTZezN_Iw



Thanks again, Three! I am running out of "opposable thumbs"

[RS]

Doubling stiffs, hitting hard 17+, etc., like Tthree said, for shot-takers. Dealers are told (by their boss) to call it out because "That's what card counters do."

"Checks play" is usually called when someone has increased their bet a significant amount. I don't know what your betting levels are, nor what your tipping schedule looks like....but if you do tip, this is a great time to throw one out. Instead of calling out "Checks play", the dealer might instead be thanking you for the bet, forgetting to call checks play (but then again, maybe they'll call it out anyway).

[Three]

You have got to play your gut." <-- Sorry! Not much gut to play with. Peace!

This is what you tell them when you make the correct play. It makes sense to most. You don't say I am making the play because it is the right index play. You had a hunch or a gut feeling. Acting like you resisted a gut feeling that would have worked out when BS plays goes wrong for you reinforces this facade.

[8675309]

For the first time, I actually had a dealer call out every surrender that I made and the amounts when playing two days ago....it was weird and I had never seen it before....also odd is the fact that the same dealer DID NOT call out when I doubled my hard 12 against a 6 and like Tthree said, when the dealer looked at me strange, I just said I have a hunch. I would have much rather she called out to the floor on the hard 12 double but what can you do....it was free advertising to confirm their suspicions that I am a raving lunatic. The checks play thing usually happens at the $100 bet level around here, even on a $25 minimum table sometimes....why the call checks play at 4 times the minimum is beyond me, but some of them do it.

[Three]

why the call checks play at 4 times the minimum is beyond me, but some of them do it.

The floor is responsible for keeping track of all black chips and have a pretty good accounting of what chips left the table. If you leave without coloring up after playing with high enough bets (maybe all in green chips) the floor will ask the dealer what you left with. The dealer is supposed to know. It is the floors job to keep track and the dealers job to be able to answer that question. If he has no idea they will survey the chip tray together and assign whatever amount they decide to your play. They often assign too much to what you left with. It is better for them to err on the side of too much than too little so if they aren't sure you can bet they overestimated your chip count when you walked. It is simply their book keeping responsibilities so the casino can catch employee theft easier. If they underestimate your take the shift may be under suspicion of possible theft if a pattern emerges of repeated chip shortages.

the same info s useful for ratings and comps.

[bebe]

I noticed this week end that the checks call for black was not in effect at 3 different places, they accepted black action with no call to PB. Maybe weekends have more black action so they are not required to call.

[njrich]

Maybe weekends have more black action so they are not required to call.

This and the fact that table limits are set higher on weekends in AC.
Some casino's that have a lot of black action will only require the dealer to call out purple in play.
High Limit room call outs also vary by casino.

[RS]

They also might only be required to call "checks play" or "black action" once per player. That is to say, they only need to call it once, to make the floor aware of their action, then don't need to call it anymore. For a known/local big player (not in AP sense), checks play type call outs may not be necessary.

[Goatlife]

This and the fact that table limits are set higher on weekends in AC.
Some casino's that have a lot of black action will only require the dealer to call out purple in play.
High Limit room call outs also vary by casino.

I don't really use much cover but at stores that called out purple action (or black if ur playing red or green)
I make sure to bet on the first hand of shoe hat ever they call out..,so in Vegas alot of stores call purple action on the good shoe games....I just bet one hand 500 and leave it up till I loose the hand ...creates some flux but doesn't cost all that much...that's about the only cover I use...

also in Vegas I notice if ur playing at a 25 or 50 game they will call out purple action but if ur playing at a 100 table they won't ...example 2x50 2x 600 will get called purlple action but spreading 1x100-2x800 they don't say a word....

[Three]

Perhaps they have the chip readers in the table to track bets and don't require the call anymore.