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    hey guys im new the name is mike and i am happy i found this forum. i have a couple questions that i would like to know to improve my game. the last 3 times i visited the casinos i got wiped out the one instance i remember count is exploding high i am playing 2 spots of 200 i get 2 face cards on one and a 17 on other. dealer pulls a blackjack. great!!!. the question i have is and i know it might be different for everyone what true count does it have to be to start betting big money. mine is around +6. second is when to take insurance at what count. third is a situation like count is very high you have 16 dealer is showin 10 hit or stay? any feedback would be great. thanx in advance

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    Without knowing anything about your play or the games you are playing, max bet at +4 or +5 and insurance at +3. Stay on 16 vs 10 unless you can surrender on the first 2 cards. You should know the answers to there questions before playing. What is your bankroll, Mike?

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    What count are you using? 16v10 the index is 0. If the count is 0 or higher you stay. If it's less than 0, you hit.
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike818 View Post
    hey guys im new the name is mike and i am happy i found this forum. i have a couple questions that i would like to know to improve my game. the last 3 times i visited the casinos i got wiped out the one instance i remember count is exploding high i am playing 2 spots of 200 i get 2 face cards on one and a 17 on other. dealer pulls a blackjack. great!!!. the question i have is and i know it might be different for everyone what true count does it have to be to start betting big money. mine is around +6. second is when to take insurance at what count. third is a situation like count is very high you have 16 dealer is showin 10 hit or stay? any feedback would be great. thanx in advance

    When you were betting 2x200, what was your total bankroll? What was your trip BR (how much did you carry for that particular trip)? What was your "waiting" bet? What bet spread and betting ramp did you use?

    What count were you using? How much time did you spend learning and practicing Basic Strategy; and that particular count?

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    Quote Originally Posted by paymypush View Post
    Without knowing anything about your play or the games you are playing, max bet at +4 or +5 and insurance at +3. Stay on 16 vs 10 unless you can surrender on the first 2 cards. You should know the answers to there questions before playing. What is your bankroll, Mike?
    for that particular night it was $400

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingStoned View Post
    What count are you using? 16v10 the index is 0. If the count is 0 or higher you stay. If it's less than 0, you hit.
    i am using the hi low

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    Your trip bankroll is $400, but you're max betting 2x200?
    "Everyone wants to be rich, but nobody wants to work for it." -Ryan Howard [The Office]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Math Demon View Post
    When you were betting 2x200, what was your total bankroll? What was your trip BR (how much did you carry for that particular trip)? What was your "waiting" bet? What bet spread and betting ramp did you use?

    What count were you using? How much time did you spend learning and practicing Basic Strategy; and that particular count?
    well for that night it was $400 not allot but i figured hey why not i had nothing better to do thought id hit the casinos and do what i like. my spread was min $25 and up to $125. im using the hi low. ive spent about 5 yrs studying it on and off. that night was not bad. i started with 400 went up and down i am at a double deck face down table and it looks like there is one more hand to be dealt out before the next shuffle. about 1.5 out of 2 decks have been played out. the count was either +8 or +9 i went all out and lost. felt really bad but am waiting for a comeback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RollingStoned View Post
    Your trip bankroll is $400, but you're max betting 2x200?
    i was playing 25 a hand up to 125 but when the count reached +8 on a double deck i bet max

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    Do you know your r .o . r for this action ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Math Demon View Post
    When you were betting 2x200, what was your total bankroll? What was your trip BR (how much did you carry for that particular trip)? What was your "waiting" bet? What bet spread and betting ramp did you use?

    What count were you using? How much time did you spend learning and practicing Basic Strategy; and that particular count?
    Quote Originally Posted by mike818 View Post
    for that particular night it was $400

    Hi Mike!

    The reason we are asking for the info like trip bankroll is a concept of "Risk of Ruin".

    If all you had at hand (after some previous wins and losses) was $400, and you bet 2x200, you were just asking for trouble.

    If the Hi-Lo TC = +6, you should have taken insurance (TC >= +3), but I guess you didn't have the funds then. Technically, the absolute max you should have bet (at TC=+6) was 2x135 (saving $130 for insurance).

    For the Hi-Lo count, the best reference is Wong's "Professional Blackjack". I also suggest buying a book titled "Blackjack Attack 3rd edition" which would help you with "Risk of Ruin", "Bankroll Sizing", and other BJ topics.



    Good Luck!
    MD

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    Quote Originally Posted by Math Demon View Post
    When you were betting 2x200, what was your total bankroll? What was your trip BR (how much did you carry for that particular trip)? What was your "waiting" bet? What bet spread and betting ramp did you use?

    What count were you using? How much time did you spend learning and practicing Basic Strategy; and that particular count?
    Quote Originally Posted by mike818 View Post
    for that particular night it was $400
    Quote Originally Posted by mike818 View Post
    well for that night it was $400 not allot but i figured hey why not i had nothing better to do thought id hit the casinos and do what i like. my spread was min $25 and up to $125. im using the hi low. ive spent about 5 yrs studying it on and off. that night was not bad. i started with 400 went up and down i am at a double deck face down table and it looks like there is one more hand to be dealt out before the next shuffle. about 1.5 out of 2 decks have been played out. the count was either +8 or +9 i went all out and lost. felt really bad but am waiting for a comeback.
    Hi Mike!

    The reason we are asking for the info like trip bankroll is a concept of "Risk of Ruin".

    If all you had at hand (after some previous wins and losses) was $400, and you bet 2x200, you were just asking for trouble.

    If the Hi-Lo TC = +6, you should have taken insurance (TC >= +3), but I guess you didn't have the funds then. Technically, the absolute max you should have bet (at TC=+6) was 2x135 (saving $130 for insurance).

    For the Hi-Lo count, the best reference is Wong's "Professional Blackjack". I also suggest buying a book titled "Blackjack Attack 3rd edition" which would help you with "Risk of Ruin", "Bankroll Sizing", and other BJ topics.



    Good Luck!
    MD


    P.S. I feel for you, dude! But always remember that it's very hard to make a comeback if you keep digging holes (for yourself).

    Save the $400 here, $400 there. Save your money until it is a "bankroll".

    Don't do battle until you are ready! If it takes 6 months more, be patient, and train some more.

    Do NOT offer yourself to the casinos as a lamb to be slaughtered. They already have a lot of those.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Math Demon View Post
    Hi Mike!

    The reason we are asking for the info like trip bankroll is a concept of "Risk of Ruin".

    If all you had at hand (after some previous wins and losses) was $400, and you bet 2x200, you were just asking for trouble.

    If the Hi-Lo TC = +6, you should have taken insurance (TC >= +3), but I guess you didn't have the funds then. Technically, the absolute max you should have bet (at TC=+6) was 2x135 (saving $130 for insurance).

    For the Hi-Lo count, the best reference is Wong's "Professional Blackjack". I also suggest buying a book titled "Blackjack Attack 3rd edition" which would help you with "Risk of Ruin", "Bankroll Sizing", and other BJ topics.



    Good Luck!
    MD


    P.S. I feel for you, dude! But always remember that it's very hard to make a comeback if you keep digging holes (for yourself).

    Save the $400 here, $400 there. Save your money until it is a "bankroll".

    Don't do battle until you are ready! If it takes 6 months more, be patient, and train some more.

    Do NOT offer yourself to the casinos as a lamb to be slaughtered. They already have a lot of those.



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    hey thanx for the answers appreciate it. yea especially since i keep going with like 300 or 400 which is not enough. i will take ur advice and wait for the right time. the dealer was showing a 10 i didnt have a choice to take insurance. if it was an Ace i sure would have like to even though i didnt have money left. and i dont know what a r o r is not familiary with that term

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