Destroying CSM's

[Dani]

I'm actually living in Catalonia and the best place close for me to playing blackjack with a little disadvantage is Castelló.
I just play against a CSM with this rules:6 Decks, S17,DAS,ES2-10,ENHC,Double with any 2 cards. The problem between this games are not the machines in my opinion but penetration is a big trouble here with a constant 16,6%(only a deck)penetration more or less depending if the table is full or not and how the hands develop.
Last day I played using KISS III Count half counting Deuces so I started at -12 on the third base and the initial hand was amazing. The game became positive at first hand playing 3 players against a dealers 2 and the first two rounds were a complete continuation of busting dealer busting hands. I made 2 or 3 blackjack betting 5x o 6x my initial bet(5 Euro) and I past from an initial bankroll of 50 Euro to 300 so I thought that I was an invincible moneymaker and after a while I was having a disgusting blackjack night with the dealer making incredible 21 Charlie's and finally losing a 125 Euros. My question is,I can beat CSM making a optimal strategy? Microcounting can be a moneymaker against a CSM( for example using Unbalanced Zen like playing just only one deck making the adapting the count to this ****ty penetration)?
I have developed a table for which I think is the optimal strategy adjusting hands that aren't in basic strategy and improving a little things using the Blackjack Bluebook II of Fred Renzey(like the Rule of 9, KISS III Advantage Table Strategy and something more...)
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Thank you for helping me, my english is not too good because I’m not a natural but at last I tried to be a 19 .

[max85]

I can't be done mateos don't even waste your time or money. You need shoe games

[Dani]

Yes I think the same but here in Catalonia there aren't any shoe game, at Barcelona the rules are including worse, at Tarragona they apply the same ****ing rules.6 decks, S17,DAS,D9-10-11 only, No surrender, ENHC,CSM and the same problem with the penetration which I think doesn't vary too much in CSM games, so I don't have any shoe game to play here in Catalonia, in Spain or anywhere in Europe...

[Tarzan]

I enjoyed the title "Destroying CSM's", envisioning throwing them all in a big pile and setting them on fire or perhaps put through one of those car crushers! I walked through a casino the other day and noticed the ASM's were GONE. They had taken them out. ASM's are undoubtedly either purchased or leased from a vendor but they are not infallible and will break down, so I wonder if the expense of having this thing that players (to include recreational players) despise due to the cards going out of view proved to cost more than what it reaped in additional hands per hour or something? I have witnessed ASM foul ups, the ol' red light coming on instead of the green light and the pit supervisor coming over to mess with a machine that he is not a technician on and this eating up lots of time, players sitting around not all that thrilled about it all... If I had to vote bonfire or car crusher, I think it would be car crusher for a more dramatic effect.

[RS]

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[max85]

Lol

[21gunsalute]

I'm actually living in Catalonia and the best place close for me to playing blackjack with a little disadvantage is Castelló.
I just play against a CSM with this rules:6 Decks, S17,DAS,ES2-10,ENHC,Double with any 2 cards. The problem between this games are not the machines in my opinion but penetration is a big trouble here with a constant 16,6%(only a deck)penetration more or less depending if the table is full or not and how the hands develop.
Last day I played using KISS III Count half counting Deuces so I started at -12 on the third base and the initial hand was amazing. The game became positive at first hand playing 3 players against a dealers 2 and the first two rounds were a complete continuation of busting dealer busting hands. I made 2 or 3 blackjack betting 5x o 6x my initial bet(5 Euro) and I past from an initial bankroll of 50 Euro to 300 so I thought that I was an invincible moneymaker and after a while I was having a disgusting blackjack night with the dealer making incredible 21 Charlie's and finally losing a 125 Euros. My question is,I can beat CSM making a optimal strategy? Microcounting can be a moneymaker against a CSM( for example using Unbalanced Zen like playing just only one deck making the adapting the count to this ****ty penetration)?
I have developed a table for which I think is the optimal strategy adjusting hands that aren't in basic strategy and improving a little things using the Blackjack Bluebook II of Fred Renzey(like the Rule of 9, KISS III Advantage Table Strategy and something more...)
englishblackjackkissiii.jpg
Thank you for helping me, my english is not too good because I’m not a natural but at last I tried to be a 19 .

Okay, are you saying that you're attempting to count against a CSM which puts the cards back into the shuffler after every round (or 2)? The CSM will destroy you in the long run.

[bjarg]

I enjoyed the title "Destroying CSM's", envisioning throwing them all in a big pile and setting them on fire or perhaps put through one of those car crushers!t.

At one of the cities I play at theres a small casino that had incredible rules and penetration. One good day they decide to buy csms and put them in their four blackjack tables. A group of three counters teamed up and started paying people to go and spill drinks in them (they used coke since apparently is poison for anything electric). That happened over the course of three months. The casino ended up taking them away, knowing that it was all a conspiracy against the machines, but not realizing it was being done by counters (they figured their regular customers whhere doing it because they wanted hand dealt games again and didnt trust the machines). Never met them, but was told the story by another counter i play with there and a supervisor at that same casino. Best and most bold +ev move ive ever heard of.

Thats one of the only two ways I know of beating csms and yet another proof that beating this game is not all about numbers, probabilities and genius minds. Sometimes being creative pays a lot more. see ya.

[Dani]

If there's only player playing I can play 10 rounds without reintroducing the cards in the machine. I'm going to prove Wonging since these type of casino never matter of this things and a huge betting spread is never a problem, however, i think that counting(like I do, starting at -12 with KISS III, can give positive results from -6 to positive counts) and -13+ option that the Castello Casino gives can be also a good game breaking if a correct counting specialized system is developed.

[21gunsalute]

If there's only player playing I can play 10 rounds without reintroducing the cards in the machine. I'm going to prove Wonging since these type of casino never matter of this things and a huge betting spread is never a problem, however, i think that counting(like I do, starting at -12 with KISS III, can give positive results from -6 to positive counts) and -13+ option that the Castello Casino gives can be also a good game breaking if a correct counting specialized system is developed.

So you're seeing at most 1 deck and cutting off 5. What a horrible game. You'll have a very difficult time ever getting a TC above +2 or so, and at that point it won't be all that reliable.

[bjarg]

If there's only player playing I can play 10 rounds without reintroducing the cards in the machine. I'm going to prove Wonging since these type of casino never matter of this things and a huge betting spread is never a problem, however, i think that counting(like I do, starting at -12 with KISS III, can give positive results from -6 to positive counts) and -13+ option that the Castello Casino gives can be also a good game breaking if a correct counting specialized system is developed.

Id stop delluding myself if I were you. That kind of wishful thinking is going to make you lose money and most importantly, time.
Just accept the fact that you dont have any playable games near home and dont waste time and money on some crap that you are NOT going to beat.

[Dani]

I give you the reason to all of you...Playing these games is worthless in effort of time spending because having an edge less than a 10 times in 4 hours is not an option for winning anything.

[ZenMaster_Flash]

When all that you can play is a horrid game, you do NOT play.

You are either very foolish or an addicted degenerate gambler.

Even switching to a strong count, you are going to lose money !