Originally Posted by bigplayer
If one stands next to the stickman and stretches their arm out as they
throw the die will be in the air a little less than half the table distance.
A couple of feet longer in the air shouldn't be a game changer.
Not sure if you understand what I'm describing, it's a full size table with a temporary wall inserted into it right on the other side of the stick man position so that the game can be operated without a stick man (only two employees...the box man and the dealer). If you stand next to the stick position to throw your total distance was maybe 2 feet instead of the normal 8 feet. I know of no casino anywhere that still uses the half-wall anymore...last one in Vegas was Jerry's Nugget I believe.
I am not a craps player but last year I was at Catus Pete's in Jackpot and saw a craps table with only one dealer. It was the first time I seen one so I watched it for awhile. The only other person was the pitboss and he was looking after 4 BJ tables at the same time. One guy handled everything. He was very good as there where several players and he was keeping up.
If this is true then there really must be something to this dice control technique. If there really is something
to it then I seriously doubt a couple of feet more spinning in the air would matter. If Scoblete really had 69 students,
and there is nothing to it, then wouldn't he be drowning in complaints from ALL of his students? Afterall, eventually they
would all lose. Balls falling into clay, motorcycles bouncing off rocks, table is too long.... is this all we have to prove
this doesn't work?
It´s interesting to hear how playing conditions in craps have changed to make the idea of dice control even more remote than it possibly was. Bouncier tables, no sliding, more air time, must hit the back wall, et cetera... I don´t know if dice control exists. It sounds amazing, but then again, people do amazing things every day. But maybe there´s a lesson here.
Perhaps someday we´ll be known as masters of the impossible given the deteriorating blackjack conditions before us (6:5, H17, CSMs, etc.). Someday, maybe the idea of getting the edge over the house in blackjack will be regarded as pure voodoo.
Last edited by victorino; 12-30-2011 at 07:29 PM. Reason: s-p-e-l-l-i-n-g
The fact that casino craps continues to exist basically unchanged for 50 years except that it offers BETTER rules than 20 or 30 years ago should tell you something. A handful of Advantage Players can form into a team and absolutely destroy a casino if dice control is a real thing. You would have the advantage on every roll of the dice...the fact that there aren't bunches of craps millionaires and several billionaires shooters speaks volumes. It is easy for the system sellers to sell their systems without complaints...they are selling you a nebulous promise that if you practice what they teach you *MIGHT* someday gain the skill to control the dice. Of course, nobody really does but a few have a good run (they must by simple random probability) and begin to believe. It's like a sports tout that tells half of his customer to bet the Cowboys and the other half to bet the Giants...we'll 50% of his customers are going to believe this guy has the GOLDEN TOUCH....and many of the other half will still believe the guy was GOLDEN but was just unlucky that time. They believe what they want to believe.
Seems like those of us who are pretty well connected in the AP world would know of at least a handful of people who made significant money playing craps (and who weren't degenerate gamblers who subsequently gave most of that money back). Now, if you're talking about beating craps via special situations (short tables, short rolls, etc) that is another issue. I'm talking standard throws that meet the rules of craps. Count me as a non-believer until someone actually proves it.
I have a standing offer to anyone... I made this offer to Sharpshooter long before he met Scoblete or published his book;
If you can pass a test I guarantee to make you a wealthy man. I'm pretty easy to get ahold of so if you can really do this, and you aren't rich already, just give me a holler.
No we aren't. We're not talking about "special situations". Scoblete and others are saying that dice control works on standard tables with throws that meet the rules of craps. There are always exceptions to the rule and you can't use that as a loophole to say that dice control actually works. That's like saying hole carding proves the card counting works...they are two different techniques.
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