Maximise DD profit potential with side count & other AP play

**max85** · 06-20-2013, 05:34 PM

hi guys i plan on playing mostly DD games when i travel to vegas. i have heard many times and in particular after reading the Carlston interview yesterday that he wished he adopted more advanced skills ealier in his career.

i was wondering what the most profitable ap plays are for DD games, and 6 deck.

Obviously hole carding would be great if it can be found but i was wondering if you come across this type of game how does affect your strategy? what strategy would you implement if you can see the hole card?

What about keeping a side count of aces? How beneficial is this to me? what are the best ap plays for DD & 6 deck.

If you want to pm thats cool, i understand and i would be greatful for any advice.

cheers, 85

**max85** · 06-20-2013, 05:37 PM

probably should be in the advanced section,.......

**BigJer** · 06-20-2013, 05:53 PM

Just learn the strategy, e.g HiLo or whatever. The major thing is perfecting your play and not necessarily the system. But as far as the side counts I would worry about it too much. Maybe Aces though. Remember that the major thing is deck pen. An 8D shoe can be much better than DD if there is good pen. I think - Munch or Norm would know about this - that each additional 0.5D pen is worth a late surrender, that is an 0.15% extra. BTW I'm not trying to get you away from playing DD however for now I would start off on shoes. One thing is if the count is off by one on DD it's a lot more damaging than being one card off on a shoe.

**Mr. White** · 06-20-2013, 08:52 PM

HC strategies -

Most complex: http://wizardofodds.com/games/blackjack/appendix/16/

Less complex: http://www.bjrnet.com/member/bjapr/BS_EHC.htm

Least complex: http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=1968

**AussiePlayer** · 06-20-2013, 11:31 PM

Norms free book has all the info you would ever need on HC play (blackjack wise anyway

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**max85** · 06-21-2013, 03:32 AM

thanks mr white thats gold.
aussie.....chapter 15 cheers

**Baberuth** · 06-21-2013, 08:11 AM

The count fluctuates fast in DD and bet spreads follow. You need a good cover plan with a short session and move to the next DD game. There are many in Vegas. Getting the bigger bets out there with proper cover is key. Playing10+ short sessions should produce a good day.

**max85** · 06-22-2013, 05:30 AM

agreed

**steveistheman84** · 06-24-2013, 08:34 AM

instead of side counting aces, keep a side running count of aces and deuces using hi-opt-1 (don't do any of this with hi-lo). this is the count i use for sd and dd now instead of side counting aces. it's easier and slightly more effective. got the idea from tthree (good lookin out man! love it!).

**ZenMaster_Flash** · 06-24-2013, 03:14 PM

To succeed at DD games use a spread that is "polite" enough for short sessions -- to keep you from being 86'd.

That being said, you need to use Hi-Opt II or Advanced Omega II, both with Side-Counted Aces (and Sevens).

If Side-Counting is beyond your ability, then ZEN is the weakest count that you should even consider using.

Recreational Counts like Hi-Lo, K. O. etc. have weak Playing Efficiencies and, as such, are not geared to DD games.