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    Spread to maximise hourly rate at minimum risk

    hi guys
    after some opinions on whether its worth spreading to 2 hand when max bet is out. eg

    tc 1 $10
    tc 2 $20
    tc 3 $30
    tc 4 $50
    tc 5 $50 x 2

    br is $5k
    playing dd and 6 deck red chip

    the true counts also have not taken into consideration minus 1 for HE. So tc 5 is infact tc 4. I have been playing my max bet $80 at tc 5. On CV it seems the 2 x $50 bet has been smoothing out fluctuations.

    what do you guys think?

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    With a small bank ,maybe 2 x $ 40 is enough. 2x $ 50 is getting high for your bank. unless you can keep replenishing your bank at a good rate.

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    Switching to two hands at a TC of 5 canl be a red flag in the DD games. Better to start with 2 hands off the top and drop to 1 in negative counts.

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    Spreading to two hands at a high T.C. is the quickest way to get 86'd from a casino.

    That is NOT a simple opinion.

    It is a fact that no experienced A P would contest.

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    ok so the best way to play is 1 max bet of $80?

    bear in mind i dont really care if i get 86'd i live in another country and most likely will not be back for 1-3 years ....

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    oh, Australia right?

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    Bet to your (Bankroll) x (advantage/Variance) If your bankroll is $5000 then for each 1% of advantage bet 5000 x (0.01/1.32) = roughly one hand of $40 or two hands of $30 for every 1% of advantage you have. This is called "Full Kelly Betting". If your max bet is at TC +6 (2.5% advantage) you would bet two hands of $75 (bet 2@$80 to make insurance and BJ payoffs quicker) or one hand of $100. Your bottom bet obviously should be as low as you can get away with (preferably $0).

    Quote Originally Posted by max85 View Post
    hi guys
    after some opinions on whether its worth spreading to 2 hand when max bet is out. eg

    tc 1 $10
    tc 2 $20
    tc 3 $30
    tc 4 $50
    tc 5 $50 x 2

    br is $5k
    playing dd and 6 deck red chip

    the true counts also have not taken into consideration minus 1 for HE. So tc 5 is infact tc 4. I have been playing my max bet $80 at tc 5. On CV it seems the 2 x $50 bet has been smoothing out fluctuations.

    what do you guys think?

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    Yeah Australia
    so what would be the best bet spread in your opinion

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    Quote Originally Posted by max85 View Post
    Yeah Australia
    so what would be the best bet spread in your opinion
    Games there are very mediocre. If you're betting red/green as you describe the concept of cover should not even be considered. When you don't have an advantage bet minimum (or nothing) otherwise bet to your edge with total aggression. As your bankroll and bet sizes increase to where you're betting black chips then you can begin to think about longevity. Regardless, the games in AUS are pretty poor, so unless you're getting in on one of their rebate programs you should spread pretty blatantly. Insulting but clever.

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    I'm only playing in the us. Hence my trip arriving in Vegas tomorrow
    I don't really want to go to black chip level the investment is too large

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigplayer View Post
    Bet to your (Bankroll) x (advantage/Variance) If your bankroll is $5000 then for each 1% of advantage bet 5000 x (0.01/1.32) = roughly one hand of $40 or two hands of $30 for every 1% of advantage you have. This is called "Full Kelly Betting". If your max bet is at TC +6 (2.5% advantage) you would bet two hands of $75 (bet 2@$80 to make insurance and BJ payoffs quicker) or one hand of $100. Your bottom bet obviously should be as low as you can get away with (preferably $0).

    Bigplayer what is the 1.32 in your equation 5000 X (.01/1.32)? Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by roliin View Post
    Bigplayer what is the 1.32 in your equation 5000 X (.01/1.32)? Thx
    Variance

    Last edited by bebe; 06-08-2013 at 08:19 AM.

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    To the op ,i am not a veteran. You need somebody who is more of a pro to answer because of heat, risk , efficency are also factors that needs to be considered. I would consider a plan that is efficient ,since you paid for airfare to get here.If you can well afford to part with the 5k ,I would go for higher EV with a higher ROR.That is only if You are mentally and financially prepared.Some people can well afford to lose 5k-10k but can not handle it emotionally. i would like to know why you would fly to the US to play bj but use such as small bankroll . It does not seem viable. If you come to play and have some experience then it is a totally different thing. Then i would play for a 5% ROR with the intent of having an experience of card counting in a decent condition as opposed to AUSTRALIa.
    Last edited by stopgambling; 06-08-2013 at 11:04 AM.

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