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    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: Answer to Zenfighter

    (The original question was posted on bjmath.)

    For this game I have the following EV?s

    hitting = -.51176
    splitting = -.461818 (or yours refined -.4617)

    Table 3 yields an almost perfect M (mean) because:

    -.51176 + .0499378 = -.461822 a fantastic approach to the true figure.


    This is not an approach. By the definition of EOR the mean (m) is calculated as follows:

    mean (m) = EV(split) - EV(hit)

    so,

    EV(split) = mean + EV(hit) which is what you're doing.

    A bit of EOR's Theory

    If instead of using a 52-card deck you used a 49-card deck (with 8,8 and T removed) then "mean" would be the exact difference between EV(split) and EV(hit). According to the EV tables in bjmath (88vT,1D,S17,DOA,NDAS,SPL1):

    EV(split) = -46.1726% 
    EV(hit) = -51.1755%
    mean = 5.0029%


    Depending on the cards removed you can have different means. For example:

    1) 52-card deck (no cards removed)

    mean = 5.0692%

    2) 51-card deck (upcard removed)

    mean = 5.5999%

    3) 49-card deck (T,8,8 removed)

    mean = 5.0029%

    All these calculations assume that we are using conditional expectations but what if we used total expectations (before the dealer has checked for bj)?

    1) 52-card deck

    mean = 4.6793%

    2) 51-card deck

    mean = 5.1607%

    3) 49-card deck

    EV(split) = -50.5667% 
    EV(hit) = -55.1612%
    mean = 4.5945%


    An important thing you should note is that the EORs must sum to zero. This won't happen (against a dealer Ten or Ace) if we use conditional expectations so my advice is to use total expectations.
    If you use the same strategy that you used for calculating the mean then your EORs will sum to zero!

    Hope this helps.

    Sincerely,
    Cacarulo

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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: Thanks, more homework, huh! *NM*


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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: Ndas and das test table

    EoR?s for 8-8 vs T, SD, S17, RSP = 4

     
    Card NDAS DAS

    A -1.27104 -0.949164
    2 -1.2636 -1.09609
    3 -1.15219 -1.30972
    4 2.02959 2.18893
    5 2.76094 2.9767
    6 -1.43213 -1.26653
    7 -2.30582 -2.01812
    8 -1.52645 -1.39225
    9 1.22329 1.15226
    T 0.733376 0.428107

    M 5.35143 6.45157

    m 7.76563 8.90414

    ss 29.62745 27.14592

    Checksum -0.003906 -0.001556




    From the above tables we can presume that the expectations for resplitting are:

    NDAS = -.511755 + 5.35143 = -.458241

    DAS = -.511755 + 6.45157 = -.447239

    The checksum of the EoR?s is telling us to trust only 3 digits, therefore we have with
    the aid of these tables computed finally:

    NDAS = -.458

    DAS = -.447

    I think we are approaching slowly to produce better EoR?s tables. The intention behind
    all this, is to help the average player to extract data with them, without the need to be
    a computer programmer and/or to handle combinatorial analyzers very sensitive to the
    slightest mistake.

    As Griffin?s said, these methods are only approximate. Nothing can substitute a perfect
    CA test when striving for the utmost accuracy extracting EV?s.

    Needless to say, your comments are priceless for me. Looking forward for any improvement.

    Sincerely
    Z

    (P.S. Cac, please double check the exact EV?s for RSPL = 4, DAS and NDAS, thanks)

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