mitteam80: CVShuffle V2.x+ Idea

[mitteam80]

Norm,

A great benefit for CVShuffle and CVData would be the ability to analyze a given betting strategy using Shuffle Tracking. Even if this was limited to only 1-slug tracking, it would be of great utility. In this case, you are either cutting somewhere in middle or somewhere in front - so a rule based on the count of the tracked slug and where it ends up would either cut in middle position specified or in the front of shoe position specified.

The stopping conditions would be either number of rounds or number of shuffles (about the same thing) and the ability to pause during simulation to look at the shoe distribution.

If you would like to discuss this more, then send me email.

Regards,

NBOY

[Norm Wattenberger]

Yep, that certainly would be useful. I am proceeding slowly with analysis. CVShuffle V2 added a couple of analysis routines. But no shuffle ?rating? mechanism. CVData V3 will have shuffle capability. But, no ST ability. I have been convinced that any software that is written will also end up in the hands of the casinos. Therefore, I am carefully trying to walk the thin line between value to the player and value to the casino. Emphasis in CVShuffle will remain on practice ? of little use to casinos. Analysis features will slowly expand as I add functionality that I think is of more value to players than casinos.

If you can describe functionality additions that are of limited use to casinos; I?ll be glad to entertain implementation. The areas I am avoiding most strongly are the relative rating of shuffles and calculations of ST advantage.

Serious Blackjack Software

[mitteam80]

Norm,

I don't need this to calculate EV. I can do this already as well as SD and related metrics like SCORE. - and you don't need a simulation to accomplish this.

I could write this myself but my time is so expensive. Maybe there is some "business" arrangement we can come to. Ask Victor to vouch for me. I will be in LV in March and maybe we can meet and I can "convince" you of the value of this.

NBOY

[Norm Wattenberger]

I don't need this to calculate EV. I can do this already as well as SD and related metrics like SCORE. - and you don't need a simulation to accomplish this.

Not accurately.

I could write this myself but my time is so expensive. Maybe there is some "business" arrangement we can come to. Ask Victor to vouch for me. I will be in LV in March and maybe we can meet and I can "convince" you of the value of this.

You mean my time is not expensive I don't do contract programming. If you can explain exactly what you want and I don't think it is dangerous; I'll probably implement it.

Serious Blackjack Software

[mitteam80]

Norm,

Like you - I am concerned about exposing distinguishing advantage tactics in front of the wrong people at the wrong time. I was in AC, when one a trainee on another team bragged at the tables at the Golden Nugget about how easy their 1-pass riffle and restack shuffle was to track. She actually did this for about 2 months before someone in the pit paid any attention. (yes - she had great emotional needs). Within 30 days AC and LV and deep-sixed the 1-pass R&S. The rumors of "Joel" or "Gary" leaking this during a conference are unfounded.

And no, I don't think your time is inexpensive or that mine is more valuable - what I meant is that you have access to the source code and I would have to recreate all that to accomplish what I want to do. (but actually now that I think about it more - I realize a short cut to what I need - and you will probably will also once you read the following specification.)

What I meant about a business arrangement - was not contract programming. I will drop this as it is a distraction at this point.

As far as describing what I need, the following is a reworded specification-

1. Extend CVShuffle as is - no need to correlate with betting or other other CV modules. I suggested this out of benefit to overall CV - rather than for what I need in particular.

2. Ability to specify in CVShuffle/Map a number of iterations, instead of only being able to hit the "re shuffle" button.

3. Ability to specify what slug you want to track - again in CVShuffle - I am guessing the easiest place to do this is in the Shuffle VCR editor mode where the shuffle is specified. To be more precise, be able to specify the slug based on segment size and position, in the resulting "dealt" discard. I don't need to be able to track it across many shuffles or even one shuffle - just that it be shuffled as in a shuffle procedure as CVShuffle currently accomplishes.

4. Ability to specify where the player cut card is placed based on the positive or negative count of the slug that was tracked and is now being shuffled. Ideally a if/else rule based on the positivie or negative either cut in middle position specified or in the front of shuffled shoe position specified.

I can accomplish all through manual play of CV - but it is tedious!

The earlier requested

stopping conditions would be either number of rounds or number of shuffles (about the same thing) and the ability to pause during simulation to look at the shoe distribution.

is not necessary if you can simply specific #2 - number of iterations.

Finally, I realize that your programs are a great gift to us all and a great responsbility for you.

Regards,

NBOY

[Norm Wattenberger]

I'm confused about a couple things. The first is on the iterations. Are you saying that you want to shuffle many times from the same starting point or to actually shuffle the shuffled cards? Reshuffle always starts at the same point. Have you looked at the V2 Analyze function? It shuffles 5,000 times from the same starting point and averages the shuffle results together. Is this the type of thing you are looking for? Once I know this I can ask further questions.

[mitteam80]

[mitteam80]

Sorry have not gotten use to this interface. Is there a email address by which I can send my response?

[Norm Wattenberger]

> Sorry have not gotten use to this interface.
> Is there a email address by which I can send
> my response?

Yep, in every one of my posts [email protected]

[mitteam80]

[mitteam80]

> Yep, in every one of my posts
> [email protected]

Oh! Sorry! I thought that you killed that due to spam (or was [email protected]?)

Will do!

Regards,

NBOY

[Jake {|:>)]

I am ever so thankful that you use that criteria! From what I have seen you are correct, the casinos would definitely use this information against players. It may be that casinos haven't written it themselves is because of the multitude of NRS techniques in use that are shuffle dependant.