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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: A pile of Insurance Cover sims

    The Question

    Insurance can be a give-away that you are a counter. What are the costs of various Insurance Cover strategies?

    The Sims

    There are six types of sims varying the play of Insurance as follows::

      [*]Insure all Blackjacks (the ploppy method) [*]No Insurance[*]Do not Insure stiffs, always Insure BJ, correct index otherwise (heavy cover)[*]Increase the index for stiffs to +8, always Insure BJ (light cover)[*]Correct Index (normal counter)[*]Insurance Side Count (max)[/list]

      I also ran two sets of these sims as follows:

        [*]Single deck, S17 using Zen Ill18, 3:1 spread[*]Six deck, S17 using Zen Ill18, 10:1 spread[/list]

        For each set, the following penetrations were simmed:

          [*] Single deck: all penetrations from 26 to 39 cards cut off[*]Six deck: all penetrations from 26 to 104 cards cut off[/list]

          The Results

          Note: The normal Insurance indexes for Zen are +4 for single deck and +5 for six decks. Increasing the indexes to +8 for stiffs roughly halves these Insurance bets. The links below display two charts for single and six decks. These are area charts. The SCOREs are plotted for each penetration. Insuring a BJ only (the ploppy strategy) is used as a base. Successively better strategies are added to the charts with different colors indicating the improvement gained from each strategy. The narrow pink area is the difference between using the correct index and the simmed light cover. These charts indicate that some Insurance cover is acceptable. (Apologies for the colors - some resolution is lost in posting.)

            [*] Single deck chart[*]Six deck chart[/list]

            Sim details

            All sims were 1,000 million rounds, one player, quarter deck resolution, original Zen Illustrious 18, no errors. Optimal betting ramps were calculated for every penetration.

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Beautiful work!

    Beautiful piece of work, Norm. High-quality stuff. I was actually particularly impressed that you would write "1,000 million" at the end, rather than "one billion," as if to indicate that you realized that some Europeans would be reading this, for whom "a billion" is our trillion! Was that actually your intention?

    One nit-pick. In your legends, for stiffs, did you mean to write 12-16, instead of 13-16?

    Don

    P.S. From where did you get the +4 SD insurance index for Zen? JA gives +3 in his Systems 101, in BJRM. I'm not a Zen player, so I'm not sure which is more accurate.

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    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Re: Beautiful work!

    I was actually particularly impressed that you would write "1,000 million" at the end, rather than "one billion," as if to indicate that you realized that some Europeans would be reading this, for whom "a billion" is our trillion! Was that actually your intention?

    The blame is on the French. They changed the meaning of billion, trillion, etc. and we took their definitions instead of the original English meanings. Yes that was in my mind as well the fact that people don't see the "b" in billion.

    One nit-pick. In your legends, for stiffs, did you mean to write 12-16, instead of 13-16?

    Actually, my error was in using the word stiff. I simmed 13-16. CVData handles 21 through 13 separately but 12 and lower together for purposes of Insurance cover. I think I'll change that.

    P.S. From where did you get the +4 SD insurance index for Zen? JA gives +3 in his Systems 101, in BJRM. I'm not a Zen player, so I'm not sure which is more accurate.

    +4 is in the original Blackbelt in BJ. As you know, TC frequencies tend to jump around a lot in single deck. There aren't a large number of hands at +3 making the difference insignificant.

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    Don Schlesinger
    Guest

    Don Schlesinger: Re: Beautiful work!

    > The blame is on the French.
    > They changed the meaning of billion,
    > trillion, etc. and we took their definitions
    > instead of the original English meanings.
    > Yes that was in my mind as well the fact
    > that people don't see the "b" in
    > billion.

    Well, the French have a separate word for our "billion," which is "milliard," whereas they also have a word, "billion," which is now our trillion.

    But, 10^12, meaning billion, is given in my dictionary as "mainly British," so I'm not sure exactly who is to blame here.

    > I simmed 13-16. CVData handles
    > 21 through 13 separately but 12 and lower
    > together for purposes of Insurance cover. I
    > think I'll change that.

    Yes, I think you should.

    Don

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    Richard Reid
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    Richard Reid: Very Nice! - One Question?

    Norm:

    Very nice job!

    I want to make sure I understand the 6 deck chart correctly. Can we extrapolate the chart and say that with about 1.5 decks cut off in a 6 deck game, if we only take insurance on Blackjacks, there will be very little difference in our SCORE compared with properly insuring all hands when appropriate?

    Sincerely,
    Richard Reid

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    Cacarulo
    Guest

    Cacarulo: Very Nice indeed!

    > I want to make sure I understand the 6 deck
    > chart correctly. Can we extrapolate the
    > chart and say that with about 1.5 decks cut
    > off in a 6 deck game, if we only take
    > insurance on Blackjacks, there will be very
    > little difference in our SCORE compared with
    > properly insuring all hands when
    > appropriate?

    Norm:

    Is there any way to see what those differences in SCORE are? Perhaps a different chart.

    Sincerely,
    Cacarulo

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    Don Schlesinger
    Guest

    Don Schlesinger: Re: Very Nice! - One Question?

    > I want to make sure I understand the 6 deck
    > chart correctly. Can we extrapolate the
    > chart and say that with about 1.5 decks cut
    > off in a 6 deck game, if we only take
    > insurance on Blackjacks, there will be very
    > little difference in our SCORE compared with
    > properly insuring all hands when
    > appropriate?

    There's actually a bit of a problem here, because, as you can see, the SCOREs for this very poor game are quite pathetic. In my view, no one is his right mind would play a game with a $18 or $15 SCORE, which is the case here, because of the mediocre pen, play-all, and rules that rarely exist in 6-deck.

    Personally, I'd like to see 4.5/6 with a minimum of 1-12, if not 1-16, spread, and the standard Strip s17, das, rsa, ls rules. Then, I believe, you'd see a meaningful difference between the two.

    Finally, from a percentage standpoint, I think the difference might be substantial now, anyway, if I'm reading the charts correctly. If one way is $18 and one is $15, that's a pretty heavy hit, at 16.7%.

    Don

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    Don Schlesinger
    Guest

    Don Schlesinger: Re: Very Nice indeed!

    > Is there any way to see what those
    > differences in SCORE are? Perhaps a
    > different chart.

    A tabular array, at, say, just the half-deck increments, for 6-deck, might be nice.

    Don

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    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Not really

    > I want to make sure I understand the 6 deck
    > chart correctly. Can we extrapolate the
    > chart and say that with about 1.5 decks cut
    > off in a 6 deck game, if we only take
    > insurance on Blackjacks, there will be very
    > little difference in our SCORE compared with
    > properly insuring all hands when
    > appropriate?

    Or at least not by percentage of SCORE. Take a look at:

    Percentage Chart

    This shows the same data plotting the SCOREs as percentages of the best SCORE (Insurance side count.) This should provide a better sense of relative SCOREs.

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    Norm Wattenberger
    Guest

    Norm Wattenberger: Data

    Not as easy to see as a chart:

    Raw data

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    Richard Reid
    Guest

    Richard Reid: Re: Very Nice! - One Question?

    > There's actually a bit of a problem here,
    > because, as you can see, the SCOREs for this
    > very poor game are quite pathetic. In my
    > view, no one is his right mind would play a
    > game with a $18 or $15 SCORE, which is the
    > case here, because of the mediocre pen,
    > play-all, and rules that rarely exist in
    > 6-deck.

    > Personally, I'd like to see 4.5/6 with a
    > minimum of 1-12, if not 1-16, spread, and
    > the standard Strip s17, das, rsa, ls rules.
    > Then, I believe, you'd see a meaningful
    > difference between the two.

    > Finally, from a percentage standpoint, I
    > think the difference might be substantial
    > now, anyway, if I'm reading the charts
    > correctly. If one way is $18 and one is $15,
    > that's a pretty heavy hit, at 16.7%.

    > Don

    I agree. What you've said makes complete sense.

    Sincerely,
    Richard Reid

  12. #12
    Richard Reid
    Guest

    Richard Reid: Re: Not really

    > Or at least not by percentage of SCORE. Take
    > a look at:

    > Percentage Chart This shows the same data
    > plotting the SCOREs as percentages of the
    > best SCORE (Insurance side count.) This
    > should provide a better sense of relative
    > SCOREs.

    Thanks, Norm. This chart helps make it easier for one to see the relative differences. It would be nice to see the charts for better game conditions as per Don's comments above. But, I'm going go out on a limb here and say that although there will be better SCOREs overall, in terms of relative percentages, I think there won't be much difference.

    Sincerely,
    Richard Reid

  13. #13
    Oldster
    Guest

    Oldster: As usual, I am confused

    From reviewing charts & the raw data, looks to me that insuring only BJ's and never insuring have about the same SCORE. Am I missing something, as oft I do?

    My screen resolution is too low to read the legend on the charts. Woulda bought the 17" monitor but still paying off wife's bracelet.

    > The Question Insurance can be a give-away
    > that you are a counter. What are the costs
    > of various Insurance Cover strategies?

    > The Sims There are six types of sims
    > varying the play of Insurance as follows::

    > Insure all Blackjacks (the ploppy method)
    > No Insurance Do not Insure stiffs,
    > always Insure BJ, correct index otherwise
    > (heavy cover) Increase the index for
    > stiffs to +8, always Insure BJ (light cover)
    > Correct Index (normal counter) Insurance
    > Side Count (max) I also ran two sets of
    > these sims as follows:

    > Single deck, S17 using Zen Ill18, 3:1
    > spread Six deck, S17 using Zen Ill18, 10:1
    > spread For each set, the following
    > penetrations were simmed:

    > Single deck: all penetrations from 26 to
    > 39 cards cut off Six deck: all
    > penetrations from 26 to 104 cards cut off
    > The Results Note: The normal Insurance
    > indexes for Zen are +4 for single deck and
    > +5 for six decks. Increasing the indexes to
    > +8 for stiffs roughly halves these Insurance
    > bets. The links below display two charts for
    > single and six decks. These are area charts.
    > The SCOREs are plotted for each penetration.
    > Insuring a BJ only (the ploppy strategy) is
    > used as a base. Successively better
    > strategies are added to the charts with
    > different colors indicating the improvement
    > gained from each strategy. The narrow pink
    > area is the difference between using the
    > correct index and the simmed light cover.
    > These charts indicate that some Insurance
    > cover is acceptable. (Apologies for the
    > colors - some resolution is lost in
    > posting.)

    > Single deck chart Six deck chart
    > Sim details All sims were 1,000 million
    > rounds, one player, quarter deck resolution,
    > original Zen Illustrious 18, no errors.
    > Optimal betting ramps were calculated for
    > every penetration.

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