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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Playing correlations for 6dks.

     
    CORRELATIONS FOR 6 DECKS AND S17

    Hand Hi-Lo Hi-OptI RPC Zen OmegaII UAPC Halves


    Insurance 0.7601 0.8498 0.7799 0.8498 0.8498 0.9014 0.7247
    16 vs. T 0.5499 0.6284 0.5769 0.6150 0.6567 0.7048 0.6432
    16 vs. 9 0.5287 0.5804 0.4459 0.4678 0.5090 0.5035 0.5032
    15 vs. T 0.7758 0.8985 0.8246 0.8908 0.9288 0.8922 0.8615
    13 vs. 3 0.6884 0.7872 0.7528 0.8252 0.8932 0.9247 0.7884
    13 vs. 2 0.6633 0.7605 0.7321 0.8070 0.8576 0.9122 0.7566
    12 vs. 6 0.6627 0.7937 0.6766 0.7651 0.7836 0.8431 0.6228
    12 vs. 5 0.8201 0.8688 0.8321 0.8837 0.8573 0.9048 0.7696
    12 vs. 4 0.7719 0.8720 0.8267 0.8773 0.8498 0.9121 0.7659
    12 vs. 3 0.7095 0.8110 0.7687 0.8423 0.8140 0.8781 0.7128
    12 vs. 2 0.6385 0.7319 0.6984 0.7699 0.7232 0.8078 0.6321
    11 vs. A 0.8260 0.9216 0.8443 0.9157 0.9677 0.9680 0.8460
    10 vs. A 0.9434 0.9031 0.9755 0.9844 0.9396 0.9498 0.9513
    10 vs T 0.8278 0.6872 0.8915 0.8526 0.7664 0.8139 0.8730
    9 vs. 2 0.8176 0.7921 0.8472 0.8894 0.8455 0.9059 0.8033
    9 vs. 7 0.8590 0.7940 0.8274 0.8281 0.8837 0.8254 0.8691
    8 vs. 6 0.8660 0.8606 0.8284 0.8295 0.8660 0.8564 0.8528
    8 vs. 5 0.9368 0.9374 0.9134 0.9188 0.9422 0.8991 0.9346
    A8 vs. 6 0.8038 0.9493 0.8633 0.8775 0.9127 0.9279 0.8937
    A8 vs. 5 0.8499 0.9540 0.9153 0.9042 0.9053 0.9004 0.9296


    THE FABULOUS FOUR

    15 v 9 0.8145 0.8742 0.8069 0.8320 0.8464 0.7579 0.8546
    15 v T 0.8132 0.8737 0.7982 0.8367 0.8729 0.7801 0.8387
    15 v A 0.6805 0.7492 0.6553 0.6829 0.7452 0.6161 0.7264
    14 v T 0.6581 0.7191 0.7597 0.8115 0.8507 0.8237 0.7787









    a) Correlations are generic, and not composition-dependent. Not any card has been removed here (see BJA, page 522 for the Insurance correlations,
    after removing dealer?s ace). E.g. T,5 vs. T; 9,6 vs. T and 8,7 vs. T. We do not get the same correlations, as the above printed one for 15 vs. T, but their results will be quiet similar and cluster in the nearby. For Hi-lo and T, 5 vs. T we get: 0.7729. Well in the proximity of the generic.

    b) With 11 winners out of 24, UAPC behaves itself, as a flamboyant count, to deal with the particular situations during the play of the hands. How could be otherwise, coming from Ken? God bless his soul!

    c) Almost unbelievable is watching Dr. Humble?s Hiopt I, running with 6 winners. Especially for Surrender decisions this count is a killer. I?m beginning to understand now, his affection for Caribbean destinations. My bet is, he winning enough money to pay for his vacation expenses, at least. :-)

    d) There is nothing it can be done to handle the 16 vs. 9 with moderate good efficiency. The meager correlations speak for themselves. What about turning your face from the table to avoid the vision of its fatal fate? Isn't there any surrender table handy? A good medicine against despair!

    e) Finally, my apologies for the `unbalanced? counters round here. My analyser is ill suited for this. But most likely Cacarulo?s one would not. A ?subtle? hint!

    All in all, enjoy your own count.

    Regards,

    Zf

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    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Playing correlations for 6dks.

    Thank you for this!

    In comparing the correlations of the Hi-Lo I18 to my column 3 on p. 62 of BJA3, I was pleased to see not one number off by more than 0.01, and many exact. Since I did my work for four decks, 23 years ago, and with a pocket calculator, needless to say, I'm happy.

    Less perfect are the Fab 4, especially two of the four. Unfortunately, Griffin did not have EORs for surrender, and I relied on data from Steve Jacobs, some 11 years later, to generate those values. Obviously, he made some errors. If there is ever a BJA4, I will have to make corrections.

    Don

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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: Nevermind

    Griffin did not have EORs for surrender, and I relied on data from Steve Jacobs, some 11 years later, to generate those values. Obviously, he made some errors.

    Yes, but slightly with the individual EoR?s. Nevertheless, look at the full-deck favorability numbers below and double check your column 5. They are perfect, as printed!
     
    15 vs. T m (4) = 0.462768
    14 vs. T m (4) = -3.3377
    15 vs. 9 m (4) = -2.86308
    15 vs. A m (4) = -1.90655


    With the probability of occurrence column sealed, too, no small differences in correlations will alter the order of gain and importance of the four indices,
    with the 14 vs. T beating every other one in actual gain. In plain English: The Fab four are The Fab four!

    If there is ever a BJA4, I will have to make corrections.

    Vous ?tes infatigable, monsieur Schlesinger! :-)

    Zf

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    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: Tricks for the "ill suited analyzers" ;-)

    Hi ZF,

    First of all let me say: Great work!

    Here are some interesting tag' properties that you can use in order to solve the unbalanced problem. Take into account that this is only useful for true-counted systems:

    1) We can add/subtract any number to/from the system' tags and still get an equivalent system with exactly the same correlations.

    2) We can also divide/multiply by any number and still get an equivalent system.

    Let's work out an example like TKO:

    TKO: -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 -1

    let's calculate the tag's mean as:

    m = sum (tag(i)) / 13 for i = 1, 13
    m = 1/13

    If we now subtract "m" from each tag we get:

    ETKO: -14/13 12/13 12/13 12/13 12/13 12/13 12/13 -1/13 -1/13 -14/13


    At this point we have a system with the same correlations of TKO but no longer unbalanced! If you calculate the mean now you'll find that it's exactly zero.

    Playing a little more with the above properties we can multiply each of these tags by 13 and get another system with exactly the same correlations as TKO. The interesting thing is that we are now dealing with integer tags. I don't know how much "ill suited" is your analyzer

    So:

    ETKO-1: -14 12 12 12 12 12 12 -1 -1 -14


    which is still a balanced system.

    we can go a little further and add +1 to each of these tags:

    ETKO-2: -13 13 13 13 13 13 13 0 0 -13


    but the balance is lost again. Note that if we divide by 13 we'll get TKO!

    Now you can complete your work!

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Correlations for unbalanced true counters

     
    CORRELATIONS FOR 6 DECKS AND S17

    Hand TKO UBZ II Uston SS

    Insurance 0.7832 0.8448 0.7288
    16 vs. T 0.5715 0.6204 0.6333
    16 vs. 9 0.3811 0.4909 0.5139
    15 vs. T 0.7818 0.8673 0.8275
    13 vs. 3 0.7575 0.7993 0.7683
    13 vs. 2 0.7406 0.7782 0.7374
    12 vs. 6 0.6795 0.7599 0.6280
    12 vs. 5 0.8305 0.8803 0.7758
    12 vs. 4 0.8168 0.8742 0.7481
    12 vs. 3 0.7608 0.8136 0.6930
    12 vs. 2 0.6970 0.7401 0.6146
    11 vs. A 0.8429 0.9125 0.8474
    10 vs. A 0.9746 0.9773 0.9491
    10 vs. T 0.9203 0.8436 0.8693
    9 vs. 2 0.8709 0.8662 0.8131
    9 vs. 7 0.8420 0.8510 0.8998
    8 vs. 6 0.8177 0.8692 0.8746
    8 vs. 5 0.8836 0.9428 0.9418
    A8 vs. 6 0.8083 0.9064 0.8496
    A8 vs. 5 0.8482 0.9310 0.8781



    THE FABULOUS FOUR

    15 vs. 9 0.7248 0.8237 0.8272
    15 vs. T 0.7375 0.8306 0.8251
    15 vs. A 0.5813 0.6837 0.7083
    14 vs. T 0.7975 0.7902 0.7590






    Systems tags and efficiencies
     
    TKO = -1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 0 ?1 PE = .5528
    UBZ II = -1 1 2 2 2 2 1 0 0 ?2 PE = .6160
    Uston SS = -2 2 2 2 3 2 1 0 -1 -2 PE = .5548




    The Uston SS player is a sort of Halves? one. That is, a monster betting correlation, but as a consequence, the efficiency sinks.

    The UBZ II outperforms slightly his ?father? in betting correlation, but on the other hand the playing efficiency drops slightly, too.

    TKO is clearly better than Hi-lo. The numbers speak for themselves.

    At the risk of repeating myself:

    Enjoy your own count!

    Sincerely,

    Zf

    P.S. My special thanks to Cac and Brett Harris. Seems like I?ve learned a couple of good things from these two BJ experts, lately!

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    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: Re: Correlations for unbalanced true counters

    You're welcome!

    One thing that you need to clarify is that when you give efficiencies for UBZII you're in fact talking about True UBZII! UBZII is actually a RC system like K-O.

    Sincerely,
    Cac

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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: True UBZ II, of course! :-) *NM*


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    GeoC
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    GeoC: TC conversion #'s for UBZ2

    IRC starts at 0. You can chanage these numbers to conform to your own IRC. For shoe games.

    Decks Played TC =>+1 TC => +2 TC => +3

    1.0 9 14 19

    2.0 12 16 20

    3.0 15 18 21
    Wong out:

    1.0 deck gone: running of -2
    2.0 decks gone: +4
    3.0 decks gone: +8

    This adds a bit of power to the UBZ2 user for the shoe games.

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    GeoC
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    GeoC: Table got screwed up.

    For a TC of +1 and 1 deck dealt you need a running of +9.
    For a TC of +2 and 1 deck dealt you need a running of +14.
    For a TC of +3 and 1 deck dealt you need a running of +19.

    I think you can figure the rest of it out from the data above.

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