MJ: win rate

[MJ]

QUESTION FOR DON SCHLESINGER. HI DON, I'M A NEW CARD COUNTER USING THE ADVANCED RED SEVEN COUNT WITH OPPOSITION BETTING. I BET TEN DOLLARS IN NEGATIVE COUNTS THAT I ONLY TOLERATE FOR 1/2 DECK AND IN NEUTRAL COUNTS I ALTERNATE MY BETS FROM TEN TO SIXTY DOLLARS AND WHEN MY ADVANTAGE REACHES APPROXIMATELY TWO PERCENT I BET ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.WHAT WOULD BE MY APPROXIMATE WIN RATE PLAYING 8 DECK GAMES IN ATLANTIC CITY. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE ON HOW TO INCREASE MY WIN RATE ON MY $10,000.00 BANK. IN SIX TRIPS TO AC AS A FIRST TIME COUNTER OVER THE LAST 2-3 MONTHS I'M UP $525.00. I LOVE THE RED SEVEN AND THINK IT'S EASY TO USE. THANK YOU, MJ

[Don Schlesinger]

First things first: No all caps, which is the Internet equivalent of shouting and is considered bad etiquette.

> QUESTION FOR DON SCHLESINGER. HI DON, I'M A NEW CARD
> COUNTER USING THE ADVANCED RED SEVEN COUNT WITH
> OPPOSITION BETTING.

I've never heard of opposition betting used in an 8-deck game. To me, it's a SD phenomenon.

> I BET TEN DOLLARS IN NEGATIVE
> COUNTS THAT I ONLY TOLERATE FOR 1/2 DECK AND IN
> NEUTRAL COUNTS I ALTERNATE MY BETS FROM TEN TO SIXTY
> DOLLARS AND WHEN MY ADVANTAGE REACHES APPROXIMATELY
> TWO PERCENT I BET ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.

So, you're averaging $35 bets in counts with no advantage and then betting $100, or three times your "unit," at counts of about +4-+5 or higher. I can't imagine that you'd win any money at all betting that way.

> WHAT WOULD BE MY
> APPROXIMATE WIN RATE PLAYING 8 DECK GAMES IN ATLANTIC
> CITY.

Not enough to talk about.

> AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE ON HOW TO INCREASE MY
> WIN RATE ON MY $10,000.00 BANK.

Yes. Read BJA3, Chapter 10, and don't bet like the above!

> IN SIX TRIPS TO AC AS
> A FIRST TIME COUNTER OVER THE LAST 2-3 MONTHS I'M UP
> $525.00. I LOVE THE RED SEVEN AND THINK IT'S EASY TO
> USE.

Read some, please. Your approach to the shoe game really is inadequate. You should back-count the 8-deck games, exclusively.

Don

[George C.]

> QUESTION FOR DON SCHLESINGER. HI DON, I'M A NEW CARD
> COUNTER USING THE ADVANCED RED SEVEN COUNT WITH
> OPPOSITION BETTING. I BET TEN DOLLARS IN NEGATIVE
> COUNTS THAT I ONLY TOLERATE FOR 1/2 DECK AND IN
> NEUTRAL COUNTS I ALTERNATE MY BETS FROM TEN TO SIXTY
> DOLLARS AND WHEN MY ADVANTAGE REACHES APPROXIMATELY
> TWO PERCENT I BET ONE HUNDRED DOLLARS.WHAT WOULD BE MY
> APPROXIMATE WIN RATE PLAYING 8 DECK GAMES IN ATLANTIC
> CITY. AND DO YOU HAVE ANY ADVICE ON HOW TO INCREASE MY
> WIN RATE ON MY $10,000.00 BANK. IN SIX TRIPS TO AC AS
> A FIRST TIME COUNTER OVER THE LAST 2-3 MONTHS I'M UP
> $525.00. I LOVE THE RED SEVEN AND THINK IT'S EASY TO
> USE. THANK YOU, MJ

MJ:

You've been very lucky. At a 2% edge or better you'll see about 3.5 hands/100 @ your 100 top bet. This translates to an ev of about $9/100. I'm sure your waiting bets will eat that up. Like Don said, backcount this game.

[MJ]

[MJ]

> Thanks for the tips Don and George. I got the idea of opposition betting from BBIBJ, by Snyder. In the book Snyder mentions that the Silver Fox's team was having success using this betting scheme in AC attacking six deck games. I appreciate the advice and will not bet this way anymore, especially considering how lucky I've been. BJA3 is on order and I'm eagerly awaiting it's arrival. This is how I played. I almost never finished a shoe and very rarely did I place that $100.00 bet. I was in and out, hopping from table to table and casino to casino playing 5-20 minutes and on rare accasions through a few shoes, if I lost 3-5 bets in a row I'd leave the table. I also left this piece of info out, on the Red seven RC pivot of 0 and above, I'd bet $60.00, and then rarely push out the 100.00 bet with a 2% edge.I have found that backcounting shoes in AC is much easier on the weekends because of the crowds of people, so I'll probably restrict my playing to the weekends, as during the week I'd get stares from the pit as I seemed to be the only one standing around. I love the game, but as I learn more, the sobering realities of how tough it is to beat this 8 deck AC game is really depressing. I wish I lived near Vegas. I'm about 75-90 minutes away from AC. I would also appreciate any other advice you have for attacking the 8 deck AC game or even the 6 deck AC game on my $10,000.00 bank. Sorry about the all caps; didn't know I was shouting. Thanks, MJ

First things first: No all caps, which is the Internet
> equivalent of shouting and is considered bad
> etiquette.

> I've never heard of opposition betting used in an
> 8-deck game. To me, it's a SD phenomenon.

> So, you're averaging $35 bets in counts with no black
> advantage and then betting $100, or three times your
> "unit," at counts of about +4-+5 or higher.
> I can't imagine that you'd win any money at all
> betting that way.

> Not enough to talk about.

> Yes. Read BJA3, Chapter 10, and don't bet like the
> above!

> Read some, please. Your approach to the shoe game
> really is inadequate. You should back-count the 8-deck
> games, exclusively.

> Don