Hollywood: Question regarding Vegas

bfbagain · 06-29-2005, 04:15 PM

by Don, but I really believe in my heart of hearts, that Don wants what's best for everyone, i.e., to win money and be happy.

It is with that in mind that I highly recommend you visiting and reading, James Grosjean and Previn Mankodi's article titled, "CTR-Averse Betting", at blackjackforumonline.com.

It is a new piece for the summer edition of Blackjack Forum, and is highly recommended for high stakes players. Its value is applicable in every venue that you'll play in, and is especially valuable for your upcoming trip to Vegas.

cheers
bfb

NYCfudu · 07-01-2005, 01:38 PM

When dealer shows an Ace and you have a BJ. Yell out "EVEN MONEY" right away! (assuming it's the right count) AC has procedures for this to be done right but in vegas, if you don't say "EVEN MONEY" some dealers will ROB you push your BJ even though you put out the insurance bets. Most critters will tend to take the side of the dealer if you argue about it.

Don Schlesinger · 07-01-2005, 05:16 PM

> When dealer shows an Ace and you have a BJ. Yell out
> "EVEN MONEY" right away! (assuming it's the
> right count) AC has procedures for this to be done
> right but in vegas, if you don't say "EVEN
> MONEY" some dealers will_ ROB you push your BJ
> even though you put out the insurance bets. Most
> critters will tend to take the side of the dealer if
> you argue about it.

Let's explain a little more here: In A.C., you're not allowed to call out "even money"; you (stupidly) HAVE to put up the insurance bet. If you had no money, you would not be permitted to take the even money without coming up with the cash or chips.

Of course, in Las Vegas, where they aren't such morons, you don't have to go through this idiotic procedure, and so, being permitted to take even money is a convenience. That being the case, dealers are not accustomed to seeing players put up chips for insurance when they have a natural. What would be the point? Everyone simply says, "even money," you get paid, and that's that.

So, Hollywood, if insuring your natural is correct, do NOT reach for your chips; just say "even money" and be done with it.

Don

Hollywood · 07-01-2005, 08:03 PM

> You damn well will consider it, because you're not
> getting on the plane until we discuss surrender at
> length! :-) I imagine I've played 80% of all the
> blackjack in my life vs. surrender games, and, along
> with good penetration, it is one of the most powerful
> advantages that you can have at this game.

> Don

I get it Don. But the truth is that I always go right by the Surrender chapters of anything I read.

It not being available to me all these years, I never thought about it.

But trust me, I would not go fight anywhere without you training me.

By the way, does almost ever game in Vegas have surrender?

Thank you,

Hollywood

Hollywood · 07-01-2005, 08:05 PM

> Hollywood, please make sure, if you use indices for KO
> (you do use indices right), that you have them down
> cold.

> Proper use of surrender will save your ass, no doubt
> about it.

> cheers
> bfb

I always have my indices down like clockwork.

But, that being said, do my indices change when surrender is available?

Thanks,

Hollywood

Hollywood · 07-01-2005, 08:08 PM

> When dealer shows an Ace and you have a BJ. Yell out
> "EVEN MONEY" right away! (assuming it's the
> right count) AC has procedures for this to be done
> right but in vegas, if you don't say "EVEN
> MONEY" some dealers will ROB you push your BJ
> even though you put out the insurance bets. Most
> critters will tend to take the side of the dealer if
> you argue about it.

So they do it just like the islands.

In all the islands and Puerto Rico it works the same way. You need only yell out even money.

Thanks for the tip.

Hollywood

Hollywood · 07-01-2005, 08:13 PM

> by Don, but I really believe in my heart of hearts,
> that Don wants what's best for everyone, i.e., to win
> money and be happy.

> It is with that in mind that I highly recommend you
> visiting and reading, James Grosjean and Previn
> Mankodi's article titled, "CTR-Averse
> Betting", at blackjackforumonline.com.

> It is a new piece for the summer edition of Blackjack
> Forum, and is highly recommended for high stakes
> players. Its value is applicable in every venue that
> you'll play in, and is especially valuable for your
> upcoming trip to Vegas.

> cheers
> bfb

Thank you B. Point taken. I will give a look.

Hollywood

Parker · 07-01-2005, 08:45 PM

> By the way, does almost ever game in Vegas have
> surrender?

No! I'd estimate that fewer than half of the major properties have it, and very few of the smaller properties. And of course, none of the single or double deck games have it, but you're probably not interested in those (and at your betting level you wouldn't last long at them :-)).

Furthermore, there is not always a sign.

You might want to search TrackJack, and make a list of all the casinos that offer it.

And of course, if you're not sure, ask before playing!

Don Schlesinger · 07-02-2005, 12:31 PM

> But, that being said, do my indices change when
> surrender is available?

The standing indices don't change -- and they still apply to multi-card holdings -- but the surrender indices take priority over standing. So, for, say, 15 v. 9, 10, and ace, and 14 v. 10, you will be surrendering before (at a lower index than) considering standing.

Don

bfbagain · 07-04-2005, 01:38 PM

Every game that YOU should be playing will have surrender. At least the shoe games. And if you find a 6D game with DAS/RSA/S17 and NOT SURRENDER, then my suggestion is you're in the wrong place. :-)

And RUN. Run away as fast as you can, and find the nearest game with surrender. As a quick FYI:

Games with Surrender:
Caesars
Aladdin
Bellagio
Monte Carlo
Luxar
Mandalay Bay
Hard Rock
Las Vegas Hilton
Venetian
Paris
Bally's
Mirage
MGM Grand
The NYNY
The Palms
Treasure Island
Wynn

to name a few

cheers
bfb

Hollywood · 07-05-2005, 06:28 PM

> Every game that YOU should be playing will have
> surrender. At least the shoe games. And if you find a
> 6D game with DAS/RSA/S17 and NOT SURRENDER, then my
> suggestion is you're in the wrong place. :-)

> And RUN. Run away as fast as you can, and find the
> nearest game with surrender. As a quick FYI:

> Games with Surrender:
> Caesars
> Aladdin
> Bellagio
> Monte Carlo
> Luxar
> Mandalay Bay
> Hard Rock
> Las Vegas Hilton
> Venetian
> Paris
> Bally's
> Mirage
> MGM Grand
> The NYNY
> The Palms
> Treasure Island
> Wynn

> to name a few

> cheers
> bfb

Thanks BF

Maybe you and I can update it when I get closer to going.

Happy cards,

Hollywood