Hollywood: Question regarding Vegas

[Hollywood]

I'm going to Vegas in a couple of months and need some information as well as some advice.

As anyone is aware of that knows me, I basically only play in AC and only as blackchip player.

Well, this is my first vegas trip and i'm taking it with my family. So unlike when i'm in AC I wish to pay my own way and stay away from anything that has anything to do with comps etc.

So my plan, is to do my gambling in cognito.

Now that being said, here is my question.

In vegas if i'm playing and were to get tossed, do I have to be concerned that I could be asked to leave a hotel where I am staying with my family?

Or is that only going to be a problem with the casino and not have anything to do with the hotel?

Quite frankly, if I was traveling alone, then I could care less. But, because the family is with me, my wife actually expressed the concern.

It's for this reason that i'm not taking any of the vegas casino's offers for free suites food airfare etc.

I don't want to be tied to any clubs on this trip.

If i'm in a room that's paid for in AC, they can't do shit to me.

But in AC, they are not even allowed to throw you out of a casino, all they can do is harass you.

However i'm not in tune to how far they can go in vegas, so this is an issue before we book our trip.

Many of you frequent vegas and have a good handle on it.

So I just need some feedback.

Thanks guys
Good cards,

Hollywood

[bfbagain]

> I'm going to Vegas in a couple of months and need some
> information as well as some advice.

> As anyone is aware of that knows me, I basically only
> play in AC and only as blackchip player.

> Well, this is my first vegas trip and i'm taking it
> with my family. So unlike when i'm in AC I wish to pay
> my own way and stay away from anything that has
> anything to do with comps etc.

> So my plan, is to do my gambling in cognito.

> Now that being said, here is my question.

> In vegas if i'm playing and were to get tossed, do I
> have to be concerned that I could be asked to leave a
> hotel where I am staying with my family?

NO! However, odds are you will harassed, unless your sessions are, correctly I might add, kept short if you play "unrated."

> Or is that only going to be a problem with the casino
> and not have anything to do with the hotel?

Here's the problem: You're only going to be "tossed out into the street" if you're being comped at the casino/hotel. However, if you're "trespassed", you're going to want to leave the hotel anyways, you just don't have to worry about them tossing you out in the middle of the night.

But with the recent Grosjean/Russo rulings, my best guess is that they will all be on their best behavior for the foreseeable future, so I wouldn't worry too much about it.

The difficulty will be that you're likely to increase the chances of being 86'd playing black+ when you play without a rating card. My suggestion is to play with the cards, and allow them to comp you dinners (and shows).

> It's for this reason that i'm not taking any of the
> vegas casino's offers for free suites food airfare
> etc.

That's ok, but as I just mentioned, you will stick out like a sore thumb playing to our level and not getting comps, unless it's a true hit and run approach, e.g., make up stories about going to the movies, dinner with your wife, your wife doesn't know you're at the tables, all while playing no more than 30 minutes. This is workable. However, it's likely that you'll sustain at least one or two losing sessions, and if so, you'll be able to see a host, get meal comps, and let them schmooze you with offers for your return trip sometime down the road, as the best way to get immediate comps like this is immediately after, or during a losing session. I've ended up with suites and gourmet dinners with losing sessions of a mere 6K, (granted, this being done in very short sessions, i.e., 15-20 minutes, but overall, even with the losses, becoming profitable due to the comps) and comped rooms in the future, and this at strip hotels. The key is seeing a host immediately, even if the floor doesn't call one first.

> I don't want to be tied to any clubs on this trip.

With all due respect, unless the above is followed, you might as well for some, unless you decide to play green.

cheers
bfb
PS feel free to email me if you want. Cardk..has the address

[Cardkountr]

> NO! However, odds are you will harassed, unless your
> sessions are, correctly I might add, kept short if you
> play "unrated."

> Here's the problem: You're only going to be
> "tossed out into the street" if you're being
> comped at the casino/hotel. However, if you're
> "trespassed", you're going to want to leave
> the hotel anyways, you just don't have to worry about
> them tossing you out in the middle of the night.

> But with the recent Grosjean/Russo rulings, my best
> guess is that they will all be on their best behavior
> for the foreseeable future, so I wouldn't worry too
> much about it.

> The difficulty will be that you're likely to increase
> the chances of being 86'd playing black+ when you play
> without a rating card. My suggestion is to play with
> the cards, and allow them to comp you dinners (and
> shows).

> That's ok, but as I just mentioned, you will stick out
> like a sore thumb playing to our level and not getting
> comps, unless it's a true hit and run approach, e.g.,
> make up stories about going to the movies, dinner with
> your wife, your wife doesn't know you're at the
> tables, all while playing no more than 30 minutes.
> This is workable. However, it's likely that you'll
> sustain at least one or two losing sessions, and if
> so, you'll be able to see a host, get meal comps, and
> let them schmooze you with offers for your return
> trip sometime down the road, as the best way to get
> immediate comps like this is immediately after, or
> during a losing session. I've ended up with suites and
> gourmet dinners with losing sessions of a mere 6K,
> (granted, this being done in very short sessions,
> i.e., 15-20 minutes, but overall, even with the
> losses, becoming profitable due to the comps) and
> comped rooms in the future, and this at strip hotels.
> The key is seeing a host immediately, even if the
> floor doesn't call one first.

> With all due respect, unless the above is followed,
> you might as well for some, unless you decide to play
> green.

> cheers
> bfb
> PS feel free to email me if you want. Cardk..has the
> address

BFB provided excellent advice above. Betting black will stick out like a sore thumb for unrated play, however you can avoid the additional scrutiny if you can be creative with names (wink). During my last trip to Vegas I used a similar approach to what my good friend Hollywood is contemplating and it worked out great for me.

Instead of staying in a casino under a RFB comp, I decided to pay for a room myself in a casino which had a fair to poor game where I wouldn't play anyways and never wagered a penny in their casino during my weeks stay. That way I never had the risk of being evicted from my room or flyered in my own name and was free to play hit and run at the other clubs using different aliases and still recieved all my dinners and meals comped, just under different names.

As it turned out, it was good that I had different names available because I had 3 backoffs during the week (all in different names and appearances) including one where security was called which could have turned ugly had I not disappeared. A well known poster of this board could barely contain himself while he overheard security's radio's chatter while they were all trying to locate me.

> PS feel free to email me if you want. Cardk..has the
> address

Hollywood, give me a call at home one day and I'll be happy to steer you to some good games and also put you in touch with BFB who can also direct you to the better games in town....he's a great guy and someone you'll enjoy talking to.

Important.....Vegas is not even remotely close in comparison to what you're used to in AC.....Vegas is very quick to identify and take swift action against you if they think you're playing with an advantage. In Vegas, I would never dream of attempting the bet spreads that you and I have pulled off in AC or the length of time we've spent at a table. You've got to play short hit and run sessions and move to another club.

Best Regards,

Card.

[Hollywood]

> NO! However, odds are you will harassed, unless your
> sessions are, correctly I might add, kept short if you
> play "unrated."

> Here's the problem: You're only going to be
> "tossed out into the street" if you're being
> comped at the casino/hotel. However, if you're
> "trespassed", you're going to want to leave
> the hotel anyways, you just don't have to worry about
> them tossing you out in the middle of the night.

> But with the recent Grosjean/Russo rulings, my best
> guess is that they will all be on their best behavior
> for the foreseeable future, so I wouldn't worry too
> much about it.

> The difficulty will be that you're likely to increase
> the chances of being 86'd playing black+ when you play
> without a rating card. My suggestion is to play with
> the cards, and allow them to comp you dinners (and
> shows).

> That's ok, but as I just mentioned, you will stick out
> like a sore thumb playing to our level and not getting
> comps, unless it's a true hit and run approach, e.g.,
> make up stories about going to the movies, dinner with
> your wife, your wife doesn't know you're at the
> tables, all while playing no more than 30 minutes.
> This is workable. However, it's likely that you'll
> sustain at least one or two losing sessions, and if
> so, you'll be able to see a host, get meal comps, and
> let them schmooze you with offers for your return
> trip sometime down the road, as the best way to get
> immediate comps like this is immediately after, or
> during a losing session. I've ended up with suites and
> gourmet dinners with losing sessions of a mere 6K,
> (granted, this being done in very short sessions,
> i.e., 15-20 minutes, but overall, even with the
> losses, becoming profitable due to the comps) and
> comped rooms in the future, and this at strip hotels.
> The key is seeing a host immediately, even if the
> floor doesn't call one first.

> With all due respect, unless the above is followed,
> you might as well for some, unless you decide to play
> green.

> cheers
> bfb
> PS feel free to email me if you want. Cardk..has the
> address

Dear BFB:

Thank you so very much. I will be in close contact with you as my trip gets closer.

I think between YOU, Vic, Parker my good friend Card and of course the THE DON. I will be armed and ready when I get off that plane.

Thanks again,

Hollywood

[Hollywood]

> BFB provided excellent advice above. Betting black
> will stick out like a sore thumb for unrated play,
> however you can avoid the additional scrutiny if you
> can be creative with names (wink). During my last trip
> to Vegas I used a similar approach to what my good
> friend Hollywood is contemplating and it worked out
> great for me.

> Instead of staying in a casino under a RFB comp, I
> decided to pay for a room myself in a casino which had
> a fair to poor game where I wouldn't play anyways and
> never wagered a penny in their casino during my weeks
> stay. That way I never had the risk of being evicted
> from my room or flyered in my own name and was free to
> play hit and run at the other clubs using different
> aliases and still recieved all my dinners and meals
> comped, just under different names.

> As it turned out, it was good that I had different
> names available because I had 3 backoffs during the
> week (all in different names and appearances)
> including one where security was called which could
> have turned ugly had I not disappeared. A well known
> poster of this board could barely contain himself
> while he overheard security's radio's chatter while
> they were all trying to locate me.

> Hollywood, give me a call at home one day and I'll be
> happy to steer you to some good games and also put you
> in touch with BFB who can also direct you to the
> better games in town....he's a great guy and someone
> you'll enjoy talking to.

> Important.....Vegas is not even remotely close in
> comparison to what you're used to in AC.....Vegas is
> very quick to identify and take swift action against
> you if they think you're playing with an advantage. In
> Vegas, I would never dream of attempting the bet
> spreads that you and I have pulled off in AC or the
> length of time we've spent at a table. You've got to
> play short hit and run sessions and move to another
> club.

> Best Regards,

> Card.

Thanks Card:

You and I are in constant touch, so when I get my dates together we will talk in depth.

I still remember that vegas trip you took. You had me rolling.

I especially liked the part where you had to spend an hour sitting on the toilet when security was looking for you. lol lol lol.

My goodness, what we do to play Blackjack.

Your buddy,

Hollywood

[NYCfudu]

It's HOTTTTT!!!!

Do not try walking! Unless you're downtown. But I doubt you'd go downtown unless you want them to call "Green Action!"

Also you might want to brush up on surrender index numbers before you go.

You might want to spend time with your family during the day at the pool etc and play at night.

Have Fun!

[Cardkountr]

> Thanks Card:

> You and I are in constant touch, so when I get my
> dates together we will talk in depth.

> I still remember that vegas trip you took. You had me
> rolling.

> I especially liked the part where you had to spend an
> hour sitting on the toilet when security was looking
> for you. lol lol lol.

> My goodness, what we do to play Blackjack.

> Your buddy,

> Hollywood

We can laugh about it now but it wasn't too funny at the time..... try sitting on a toilet for an hour with your legs raised up off the floor sometime. LOL

btw, those adult jokes you sent yesterday were hilarious!

Your Pal,

Card

[George C.]

From what I understand, you're paying your own way, so I wouldn't play where you stay. I don't know how high you play when you say black, but high bets of 2 x $200 on the strip will garner little to no heat.

How good is your act? You can go a long way with some cover and a good act.

Hard Rock and Palms flyer for sure, so it doesn't matter if you play anon or use an alias. Be careful if you play these stores. MGM/Mirage now keeps info within the confines of their own stores, but that encompasses a lot of places.

Venetian, Harrahs and Aladdin share info, so watch out there. You might want to try Wynn's new store. Some of our guys who are in Griffin and Bio have been able to play there with no heat.

[Hollywood]

> It's HOTTTTT!!!!

> Do not try walking! Unless you're downtown. But I
> doubt you'd go downtown unless you want them to call
> "Green Action!"

> Also you might want to brush up on surrender index
> numbers before you go.

> You might want to spend time with your family during
> the day at the pool etc and play at night.

> Have Fun!

Thank you so much.

That was GREAT advice. I never even thought about the surrender portion. That is a big big issue.

You must understand, I think I used surrender 2 times in my whole life. Not exactly common in AC, you can request it, but then they put you on suicide watch. So throughout my entire BJ carear it has been a non-issure.

That's why this board is so great, my goodness look at all the feedback we all get. Stuff I would not have considered.

Good cards,

Hollywood

[Hollywood]

> From what I understand, you're paying your own way, so
> I wouldn't play where you stay. I don't know how high
> you play when you say black, but high bets of 2 x $200
> on the strip will garner little to no heat.

> How good is your act? You can go a long way with some
> cover and a good act.

> Hard Rock and Palms flyer for sure, so it doesn't
> matter if you play anon or use an alias. Be careful if
> you play these stores. MGM/Mirage now keeps info
> within the confines of their own stores, but that
> encompasses a lot of places.

> Venetian, Harrahs and Aladdin share info, so watch out
> there. You might want to try Wynn's new store. Some of
> our guys who are in Griffin and Bio have been able to
> play there with no heat.

Hi George and thank you.

Minimum bet is $100.00 at max I spread 2 hands of $1,200.00 to $1,500.00 per hand.

All other info is well noted and thank you.

If you think of anything else, or conditions at the places you mentioned change before I go, I can't tell you how much I would appreciate the heads up.

You are exactly correct, I will be spending all my time with my family and many hours at night, I will be starting my playing at night after 11 p.m in most cases.

The other part is easy, I never do anything but run around in cabs .

Thanks again George

Hollywood

[George C.]

OK now that I know your bet style here's more. Don't push it in any one store. 30 - 45 min. If your count goes high and you have big bets out, you're gone when that shoe ends, win, lose or draw. It does cut into ev a bit but you don't want to give them a chance to nail you with their counter software. Remember if you hit $10,001 they will ask you for your driver's license. You don't have to give a SS# though.
The killer here is to get flyered. Most stores keep your portrait around their war rooms and its shelf life is good for a couple of weeks.
BTW, we?re playing about the same class.
Good luck

[Don Schlesinger]

> That's why this board is so great, my goodness look at
> all the feedback we all get. Stuff I would not have
> considered.

You damn well will consider it, because you're not getting on the plane until we discuss surrender at length! :-) I imagine I've played 80% of all the blackjack in my life vs. surrender games, and, along with good penetration, it is one of the most powerful advantages that you can have at this game.

Don

[bfbagain]

Hollywood, please make sure, if you use indices for KO (you do use indices right), that you have them down cold.

Proper use of surrender will save your ass, no doubt about it.

cheers
bfb