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  1. #1
    JB
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    JB: Re: Counting with KO

    > Um, there's a little problem here. The usual
    > IRC for K-O is -4(number of decks) + 4. So,
    > for 6-decks, the usual IRC is -4(6) + 4 =
    > -20, not +20!!

    > Tell me it isn't so!! -4 is 24 higher than
    > -24. For you to do the same thing at +24,
    > you would have to be starting at zero for
    > your IRC. What am I missing??

    > Let's hope this is right. But, from what you
    > wrote above, I'm confused. I would have been
    > happier had you written, "I start my
    > 6-deck game at zero, instead of -20."

    > Don

    I took this to mean he starts with an IRC of -40 and counts down, so the count is always negetive but the negetive can generally be disregarded unless the RC becomes extremely high (some problem!)

    JB

  2. #2
    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Re: Counting with KO

    > I took this to mean he starts with an IRC of
    > -40 and counts down, so the count is always
    > negative but the negative can generally be
    > disregarded unless the RC becomes extremely
    > high (some problem!)

    No, not at all. I have no idea what you guys are talking about.

    Don

  3. #3
    Hollywood
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    Hollywood: Re: Counting with KO

    > I took this to mean he starts with an IRC of
    > -40 and counts down, so the count is always
    > negetive but the negetive can generally be
    > disregarded unless the RC becomes extremely
    > high (some problem!)

    > JB

    You are exactly correct.

    Hollywood

  4. #4
    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: Twilight Zone

    > I took this to mean he starts with an IRC of

    > -40 and counts down, so the count is always

    > negative but the negative can generally be

    > disregarded unless the RC becomes extremely

    > high (some problem!)

    > You are exactly correct.

    > Hollywood

    I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone and everyone around me is on another planet. :-)

    What do you mean you start and -40 and count DOWN?? If a small card comes out, what is the count now? -41 or -39? If -39, then you're counting UP, not down! And, if you're ignoring the negative sign, then you're actually starting at +40 and counting the small cards as NEGATIVES!

    That would make you the first in history to do that. :-)

    Don

  5. #5
    Hollywood
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    Hollywood: Re: Twilight Zone

    > I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone and
    > everyone around me is on another planet. :-)

    > What do you mean you start and -40 and count
    > DOWN?? If a small card comes out, what is
    > the count now? -41 or -39? If -39, then
    > you're counting UP, not down! And, if you're
    > ignoring the negative sign, then you're
    > actually starting at +40 and counting the
    > small cards as NEGATIVES!

    > That would make you the first in history to
    > do that. :-)

    > Don

    Here goes:

    6 deck game I start at 40. If a small card comes out i'm at 39.

    At 24 is the first time I raise my bet from 1 to 2 units. And also the first time I don't hit my 16 against dealer 10.

    My 24 is the same as KO's minus 4.

    At 17 is the first time I take insurance.
    My 17 is the same as plus 3 in KO.

    At 16 almost all my other indices kick in.

    Also at 16 i'm at a 10 unit bet.

    My 16 is equivlant to KO's plus 4.

    I have an aversion to negative numbers. So with the way I set this up, I never say plus minus etc. Just count up and down.

    You know i'm a bit strange to begin with, so why would this surprise you? lol lol lol

    You must find this even more humerous, seeing as you have the personal knowledge of the big numbers I play at.

    Several hundereds of thousands of dollars in winnings, please don't tell me i'm doing it wrong.

    Hollywood

  6. #6
    Don Schlesinger
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    Don Schlesinger: One of a kind! :-)

    > Here goes:

    > 6 deck game I start at 40. If a small card
    > comes out i'm at 39.

    So, the small cards are negatives, just as I thought. You are unique! The whole world wants to see the count go up; you want to see it go down! :-)

    > At 24 is the first time I raise my bet from
    > 1 to 2 units. And also the first time I
    > don't hit my 16 against dealer 10.

    > My 24 is the same as KO's minus 4.

    > At 17 is the first time I take insurance.
    > My 17 is the same as plus 3 in KO.

    > At 16 almost all my other indices kick in.

    > Also at 16 i'm at a 10 unit bet.

    > My 16 is equivlant to KO's plus 4.

    All the rest follows from your very unusual beginning premise.

    > I have an aversion to negative numbers. So
    > with the way I set this up, I never say plus
    > minus etc. Just count up and down.

    But, you could have started at, say, +20 and counted up and down in the usual fashion, with small cards positive, no?

    > You know i'm a bit strange to begin with, so
    > why would this surprise you? lol lol lol

    I've never seen anything like it before, so it caught me off guard. Did you devise this yourself?

    > You must find this even more humorous,
    > seeing as you have the personal knowledge of
    > the big numbers I play at.

    > Several hundereds of thousands of dollars in
    > winnings, please don't tell me i'm doing it
    > wrong.

    Whatever floats your boat! It's not "wrong" -- it's just very different. Besides, you have the money to prove that it works!

    Don


  7. #7
    Hollywood
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    Hollywood: Re: One of a kind! :-)

    > So, the small cards are negatives, just as I
    > thought. You are unique! The whole world
    > wants to see the count go up; you want to
    > see it go down! :-)

    > All the rest follows from your very unusual
    > beginning premise.

    > But, you could have started at, say, +20 and
    > counted up and down in the usual fashion,
    > with small cards positive, no?

    > I've never seen anything like it before, so
    > it caught me off guard. Did you devise this
    > yourself?

    > Whatever floats your boat! It's not
    > "wrong" -- it's just very
    > different. Besides, you have the money to
    > prove that it works!

    > Don

    I was having so much trouble doing it the correct way. Besides having severe dislexia (spelled wrong) I have extremly week math skills. If you remember I graduated high school with a 67 average and much of that was from cheating.

    Funny thing was I was the fastest typist the school had ever seen to that point and they used to have me give demonstrations. Typing on an IBM electric close to 200 words a minute back then and 70 words a minute with mittens on. lol

    I only devised this myself, because conventional systems did not work. I know it's terrible Don, but it gets the job done.

    As soon as I get involved in any plus or minus situation I lose track of what i'm doing.

    So with this system, i'm merely going up and down.
    I used to start at 30, but frequently the count would get to zero which would take be back to the plus minus stuff which I had trouble with.

    So I went up to 40 and it has never happened again or at least very rarely.

    Why do you think i'm telling you for years I am your blackjack poster child. Meaning, if YOU have taken me to this level with my skills anybody can do this.

    I try to tell this to people all the time that think it's above their head.

    I'm basically a math moron, so if Schlesinger,Parker, Norm and the rest of the masteres in here can put this much money in my pocket, what can they do for the smart guys in here?

    I think alot.

    Thanking you guys in advance for all my extra cash lol

    Hollywood

  8. #8
    Don Schlesinger
    Guest

    Don Schlesinger: Re: One of a kind! :-)

    > I was having so much trouble doing it the
    > correct way. Besides having severe dislexia
    > (spelled wrong) [close! dyslexia] I have >extremely weak math skills. If you remember I >graduated high school with a 67 average and much > of that was from cheating.

    LOL!

    > Funny thing was I was the fastest typist the
    > school had ever seen to that point and they
    > used to have me give demonstrations. Typing
    > on an IBM electric close to 200 words a
    > minute back then and 70 words a minute with
    > mittens on. lol

    How did you learn to type like that?

    > I only devised this myself, because
    > conventional systems did not work. I know
    > it's terrible Don, but it gets the job done.

    It's not "terrible"; it's just unique.

    > As soon as I get involved in any plus or
    > minus situation I lose track of what i'm
    > doing.

    Then, you've done the right thing.

    > So with this system, i'm merely going up and
    > down.
    > I used to start at 30, but frequently the
    > count would get to zero which would take be
    > back to the plus minus stuff which I had
    > trouble with.

    And, you don't want to get in trouble when the count (for you) is so wonderfully low! :-)

    > So I went up to 40 and it has never happened
    > again or at least very rarely.

    Yup. +40 RCs for us mere mortals are hard to come by.

    > Why do you think i'm telling you for years I
    > am your blackjack poster child. Meaning, if
    > YOU have taken me to this level with my
    > skills anybody can do this.

    Sounds like a very good ad for a school ... or a Web site. :-)

    > I try to tell this to people all the time
    > that think it's above their head.

    > I'm basically a math moron, so if
    > Schlesinger, Parker, Norm and the rest of the
    > masters in here can put this much money in
    > my pocket, what can they do for the smart
    > guys in here?

    Well, when we ran the Blackjack Clinic over 20 years ago, we truly had people from all walks of life, and many thought they could never learn to do this, but they did. Motivation goes a long way.

    > I think a lot.

    > Thanking you guys in advance for all my
    > extra cash lol

    It certainly has been fun, no?

    Don

  9. #9
    Hollywood
    Guest

    Hollywood: Re: One of a kind! :-)

    > LOL!

    > How did you learn to type like that?

    > It's not "terrible"; it's just
    > unique.

    > Then, you've done the right thing.

    > And, you don't want to get in trouble when
    > the count (for you) is so wonderfully low!
    > :-)

    > Yup. +40 RCs for us mere mortals are hard to
    > come by.

    > Sounds like a very good ad for a school ...
    > or a Web site. :-)

    > Well, when we ran the Blackjack Clinic over
    > 20 years ago, we truly had people from all
    > walks of life, and many thought they could
    > never learn to do this, but they did.
    > Motivation goes a long way.

    > It certainly has been fun, no?

    > Don

    I started typing in Junior high. Just had a knack for it.

    The funny thing is that to get an A (senior year in HS) you only needed 50 words a minute with 4 errors. So all the guys in the neighborhood wanted to sit next to me, I would finish mine and take it out and get 2 other guys A's and the 3rd guy a B.

    Talk about responsibility. lol

    The mittens thing started in 9th grade with one of my teachers. I was already typing 130 wpm and she asked me to try it, it became quite a show.

    Go figure

    Hollywood


  10. #10
    Parker
    Guest

    Parker: Re: One of a kind! :-)

    > I was having so much trouble doing it the
    > correct way. Besides having severe dislexia
    > (spelled wrong) I have extremly week math
    > skills. If you remember I graduated high
    > school with a 67 average and much of that
    > was from cheating.

    Don't sell yourself short. You single-handedly figured out how to convert KO into something quite different that works for you. In addition, you have become adept at converting from your method to traditional KO (at least, away from the table) in order to ask questions here in a manner that we can understand, and put the answers to use.

    This takes math skills of some sort.

    Just don't ask me how to true-count your method. :-)

  11. #11
    Hollywood
    Guest

    Hollywood: Re: One of a kind! :-)

    > Don't sell yourself short. You
    > single-handedly figured out how to convert
    > KO into something quite different that works
    > for you. In addition, you have become adept
    > at converting from your method to
    > traditional KO (at least, away from the
    > table) in order to ask questions here in a
    > manner that we can understand, and put the
    > answers to use.

    > This takes math skills of some sort.

    > Just don't ask me how to true-count your
    > method. :-)

    I didn't have a choice, it was either come up with something or STOP playing. I love the game to much for that.

    True counting would be quite a challenge .

    By the way big guy, i'm waiting for the book.

    Hollywood

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