# Thread: GT: Anyone using KO in AC?

2. ## GT: Quick Question

Hi Card,

When you use the Indices, do you use the regular index numbers, and just add or subtract your Running Count by 20 every hand, before converting to TC?

Great Cards,
GT
> Hi GT,

> Sorry I didn't get back to you right away, I
> was away on a playing trip and only just got
> back last night.

> Actually I find side counting aces pretty
> simple, as I mentioned earlier I didn't like
> my primary count going back and forth
> between positive and negative numbers so I
> start with a base number of 20 = 0 and then
> just add to or subtract from that number for
> my primary count and by doing so it allows
> me to play for long periods of time
> flawlessly without becoming fatigued and
> also makes it much easier for me to tack on
> a side count of aces separated by a decimal.

> For example at the start of the shoe my
> primary Hi/Lo count is 20,(which is 0) say 3
> low cards come out and 1 ace, in my mind I
> say 22 POINT 1. Next round say 2 face cards
> and another ace comes out now i'm at 19.2
> etc. In this scenario I would know i'm at a
> running count of -1 before my true count
> conversion and that 2 aces have come out.

> Here's how I use the ace overage/shortage
> information for insurance decisions, if I
> have an overage of aces remaining (fewer
> came out than should have based on how many
> decks have been played) I reduce my primary
> running count by 2 points for each extra ace
> remaining above what should have been played
> and then convert to a true count.

> In the same token, if I have a shortage of
> aces remaining based upon how many should
> have come out (more aces already came out
> than should have), I add 2 to my primary
> count for each ace I'm short based on where
> I am in the shoe and then do my true count
> conversion.

> For example in the ace overage situation, if
> 2 decks have been played and I know that
> only 6 aces came out when there should have
> been 8, so I have 2 extra aces remaining in
> the shoe, I would then subtract 4 (2 extra
> aces remaining X 2 points for each one) from
> my running count and then do my True
> conversion.

> If I had a shortage of aces remaining, for
> example 6 aces played when only 4 should
> have come out after 1 deck played, therefore
> I am 2 aces short in the remaining shoe, I
> would add 4 points (2 points X the number of
> aces short) to the running count prior to
> converting to a true count.

> If the resulting TC conversion after either
> the ace overage or shortage computation is
> above my Hi/Lo index of +3 I insure,
> otherwise I don't.

> Hope this is of some help to you,

> Card.

3. ## Cardkountr: Re: Quick Question

> Hi Card,

> When you use the Indices, do you use the
> regular index numbers, and just add or
> subtract your Running Count by 20 every
> hand, before converting to TC?

> Great Cards,
> GT

GT, maybe I have confused you. Here's exactly how I do it disregarding the side count of aces for the time being to not muddy the waters.

First I start with a base count of 20 which is actually 0. I do this so i don't have to wander from positive to negative number territory constantly. Prior to the start of a hand, I simply disregard the 20 base ie; 28 becomes +8 or if at a running 32 is +12, 16 is -4 etc. Lets say after 2 decks are played from a 6 deck shoe, my running count before the next hand is now 28...so i am actually a running +8 which I then convert to a True count of +2 and bet accordingly. After I convert the running count to a true count, I use the regular index numbers ie; I-18 etc for playing decisions.

For the side count of aces for insurance, I do it as I described in my above post and AFTER the ace overage/shortage calculation is done and either added or subtracted from the running count, (disregarding the initial 20 base figure)
I then convert the total to a true count and use the regular hi/lo indices of +3 to buy insurance.

Here's the sequence of events which may be clearer... whatever the running count is prior to betting (after subtracting the 20 base) I convert to a true count and bet, cards are dealt, if the dealer gets an Ace up I take the running count at the time the dealer received his down card, (once again removing the 20 base), apply the ace overage/shortage calculation and then convert it to a true count to determine if I'll buy insurance.

If he doesn't have the blackjack, I simply back out the insurance overage/shortage calculation from my running count and proceed with the running count converting to a true count prior to my hand decision and apply the indices to determine my play.

Additionally, you may find it easier and faster to multiply rather than divide to convert your running count to a true count. For example, if you have 3 decks remaining from a 6 deck shoe you know you must have a running 3 to have a true 1, a running 6 to have a true 2, running 9 to have a true 3 etc. that way you're always dealing with whole numbers and since you are trunicating anyways the fractions caused by dividing aren't needed or used anyways.

Best regards,

Card.

4. ## GT: Re: Aces

Card,
Thanks for the clarification. Could you tell me how/if you use the Ace Count to help you with your betting and strategy decisions, thus making Hi-Lo even more powerful? (other than Insurance)

Good Cards,
GT

> GT, maybe I have confused you. Here's
> exactly how I do it disregarding the side
> count of aces for the time being to not
> muddy the waters.

> is actually 0. I do this so i don't have to
> wander from positive to negative number
> territory constantly. Prior to the start of
> a hand, I simply disregard the 20 base ie;
> 28 becomes +8 or if at a running 32 is +12,
> 16 is -4 etc. Lets say after 2 decks are
> played from a 6 deck shoe, my running count
> before the next hand is now 28...so i am
> actually a running +8 which I then convert
> to a True count of +2 and bet accordingly.
> After I convert the running count to a true
> count, I use the regular index numbers ie;
> I-18 etc for playing decisions.

> For the side count of aces for insurance, I
> do it as I described in my above post and
> AFTER the ace overage/shortage calculation
> is done and either added or subtracted from
> the running count, (disregarding the initial
> 20 base figure)
> I then convert the total to a true count and
> use the regular hi/lo indices of +3 to buy
> insurance.

> Here's the sequence of events which may be
> clearer... whatever the running count is
> prior to betting (after subtracting the 20
> base) I convert to a true count and bet,
> cards are dealt, if the dealer gets an Ace
> up I take the running count at the time the
> dealer received his down card, (once again
> removing the 20 base), apply the ace
> overage/shortage calculation and then
> convert it to a true count to determine if

> If he doesn't have the blackjack, I simply
> back out the insurance overage/shortage
> calculation from my running count and
> proceed with the running count converting to
> a true count prior to my hand decision and
> apply the indices to determine my play.

> Additionally, you may find it easier and
> faster to multiply rather than divide to
> convert your running count to a true count.
> For example, if you have 3 decks remaining
> from a 6 deck shoe you know you must have a
> running 3 to have a true 1, a running 6 to
> have a true 2, running 9 to have a true 3
> etc. that way you're always dealing with
> whole numbers and since you are trunicating
> anyways the fractions caused by dividing
> aren't needed or used anyways.

> Best regards,

> Card.

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