Cardkountr: AC Single Deck Blackjack

[Don Schlesinger]

> If this is the answer to my question about
> why a no hole card practice is used, I must
> be to dense to get it. I'll have to noodle
> this around awhile.

No, it isn't. It doesn't make any difference at all. I'm guessing that they simply don't want any chance for a player to glimpse the hole card, but with the ridiculously negative rules they've incorporated, no serious player will be there anyway.

Don

[Cacarulo]

> 6 spot table, 2 tables out on the floor with
> limits of 10/500, no SD in the high limit
> room, 2 rounds dealt regardless of the
> number of players at the table. Rules: NMSE,
> H17, BJ 6:5, DOA, No DAS, SPA1, SP2 for a
> total of 3 hands, NO HOLE CARD, Dealer BJ
> returns any double or split bet, Players
> allowed to play 1 spot on the first round
> and 2 spots on the second round.

> Trackjack edge gives it a house advantage of
> 2.021% which is more than four times the
> advantage they have in their 6 deck shoe
> game.

I get with a CD-BS a house advantage of 1.557% and 1.582% if we use a TD-BS. Nevertheless, the game is not worth anyone's time.

Sincerely,
Cac

[Viktor Nacht]

> I get with a CD-BS a house advantage of
> 1.557% and 1.582% if we use a TD-BS.
> Nevertheless, the game is not worth anyone's
> time.

FEI, as a baseline, Trackjack assumes you're using a generic, multideck basic strategy. You can always do better than the Trackjack reported return by using a deck(s) specific and/or composition dependent strategy.

Good Cards,

V

[Sun Runner]

> No, it isn't. It doesn't make any difference
> at all. I'm guessing that they simply don't
> want any chance for a player to glimpse the
> hole card, but with the ridicuously negative
> rules they've incorporated, no serious
> player will be there anyway.

That was my thought -trying to protect themselves from hole-carders.

However -even with the negative rules, a lazy dealer could still be profitable I'd imagine

> no serious player will be there anyway.

Uhhh .. I think your friends have taken it for a spin.

[Zenfighter]

VEGAS B******* FOR EXPORT.

My initial guess is that the Casino-industry is just testing the waters with this ?experiment?. Their basic principles seems to follow the standardized rule of offering the worst game possible, compatible with keeping the customers.

A plain shame! But who wonders here? My bet is that it won?t prevail. Time will tell.

Sincerely

Zenfighter

[Sun Runner]

> My initial guess is that the Casino-industry
> is just testing the waters with this
> ?experiment?. Their basic principles seems
> to follow the standardized rule of offering
> the worst game possible, compatible with
> keeping the customers.

> A plain shame! But who wonders here?

It is a shame, but can you really blame them?

Please don't all start bagging on me .. but from the start it was always and has always been about them making money for them.

They offer the best game for them while attracting the most customers; and where they perceive those lines cross; that is where they will be.

We can talk about symbiotic relationships all we want, and I'd agree around the edges and in the shallows, there are some.

But when you step off into the deep water, if you ever once forget it's about them making money, and lots of it, you'll be in trouble.

I certainly am not standing in a place to lecture anyone about Blackjack. But I do understand business a little and now, more than ever, that seems to be what it is all about.

Viktor knows how it works. He sells his wares for as much as he can get away with. Do you blame him? I don't.

Like you, I hope the casino customers are not buying. But in AC, at least for awhile, I think you'll need a crowbar to get a seat at those two SD tables.

Maybe some of the 'anarchists' over at BJ21.com will start a picket line.

We'll see.

[Zenfighter]

A blackjack pays the player three to two,
Unless the dealer has one too;
That action is an even exchange.
Time to retrieve or rearrange.

                          Josef Mennec

Moral: Against these virtually BJ?s assassins, who are spreading this 6:5 infamous venom, no pseudo-rationalizations should be employed to justify their actions. Not even a glass of water should be passed over to a thirsty and behaved shamelessly enemy.

Hope this helps

Zenfighter

[Sun Runner]

ZF -you are one smart guy. That work you have been off loading here is great work. I just hope it continues to have value in the changing world we gamble in.

Many BJ players I converse with ain't living in the real world. There was nothing 'pseudo' about what I posted nor did I intend it to be a rationalization. And I most certainly wasn't giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

But the reality is the whole world, these days, likes to gamble. And if my old Aunt and her friends (who by the way get to Vegas, Tunica, and the gulf coast more than I do) decide they are OK with playing H17 ENHC no dble no split 6:5 BJ, you and I had better learn to like it to -or take up poker -because that is what the 'for profit' casino is going to offer.

And now a word of heresy ...

... it ain't the casino's fault, nor is it mine. It's my aunt and her friends!! The casino is just reacting to the market.

How dare they.

[Zenfighter]

[Cardkountr]

> No, it isn't. It doesn't make any difference
> at all. I'm guessing that they simply don't
> want any chance for a player to glimpse the
> hole card, but with the ridicuously negative
> rules they've incorporated, no serious
> player will be there anyway.

> Don

Looks like the party is just about over, so divulging the real reason to play during the dealer break in period doesn't much matter now. During the first week, multiple Dealer mistakes were being made on a regular basis. Having never dealt handheld in AC the dealers were flashing the next card frequently, allowing doubles after splits as they are accustomed doing in the shoe games but not allowed in the SD game, making normal payouts on blackjacks, and some dealers were placing the cut card so deep they often dealt 3 rounds to 6 spots, giving players the rule of 9.

Each time a mistake was noticed either the eye called down after the hand was played or the floorperson (when paying attention) called it to the dealers attention but did not ever ask the player to return any money won due to the dealers mistake other than the 3/2 bj payout which they did ask to be returned when noticed. I'm guessing maybe because once the player placed money for a double after a split and received the card it was considered a bet the casino accepted?

Yesterday the dealers were all shuffling after each round and the game was watched very closely for mistakes by 2 floorpeople rather than only the 1 as in previous days.

Card.