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Thread: John Lewis: Contribution to PE of ace side count with Hi-Lo

  1. #14
    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: Thank you! *NM*


  2. #15
    Ian Andersen
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    Ian Andersen: Re: Some comments

    > One thing I find very important is that with
    > poor penetration the gain is even bigger. A
    > similar analysis applies to the 6D game.

    I think this fact is fascinating and counter-intuitive.

    Personally, I use hi-lo/A with DD and hi-lo with shoes. This is a matter of personal inadequacy. I can't carry on a running conversation with the dealer and pit boss, be aware of subtle activities going on in the pit, pull off my act, count accurately (hi-lo), kibbitz with cocktail waitresses, and do an accurate, adjusted, ace side count for playing decisions.

    Since I play heads up most of the time though, I have a good idea whether a shoe is ace-rich or ace-poor, and will alter close playing decisions accordingly.

    I'd be interested in seeing the tables for the 6 deck game.

    Regards,

    Ian


  3. #16
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: Suspicions confirmed!

    You?re a mere mortal Ian! Otherwise you would be able to do all the above mentioned,
    while carrying on a conversation in your third language, Romanian, for cover purposes obviously :-)

    You don?t have to worry; your books do not live in a dimension where the time counts.
    You can be sure of this.

    Sincerely yours

    Z


  4. #17
    Ian Andersen
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    Ian Andersen: Re: Suspicions confirmed!

    > You?re a mere mortal Ian! Otherwise you
    > would be able to do all the above mentioned,
    > while carrying on a conversation in your
    > third language, Romanian , for cover
    > purposes obviously :-)

    I know players who would keep 3 separate counts in SD and DD (Revere plus-minus, side aces, and side 7,8,9 counts). They were not very verbal however, but in those days, acts didn't matter because the casinos didn't believe that the game could be beaten.

    When I was younger I kept a separate ace count in 6-D too, using my feet and toe positions to keep track. Now that I'm older (and perhaps a bit less hungry to devour every scrap of advantage) I focus on other casino happenings and relationships. As you know, my considered opinion is that casino relations are worth far more than the extra 5% gain from an ace side-count in 6D.

    In my view the single most significant contributor to long-term earnings is building close relationships with casino decision makers.

    > You don?t have to worry; your books do not
    > live in a dimension where the time counts.
    > You can be sure of this.

    Thank you for the kind words.

    Since your name is Zenfighter, surely you realize that time works against you only if you think it's real instead of a man-made consruct :-).

    Regards,

    Ian

    > Sincerely yours

    > Z

  5. #18
    Cacarulo
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    Cacarulo: 6D comparison

    Comparison between Hi-Lo and Hi-Lo with an Ace Side Count

    Note: The following sims are based on 6D,S17,DOA,DAS,SPA1,SPL3,NS,5/6,heads up,CATCH-22 indices (floored),5 billion rounds each.
    SBA 5.05 was used to run the sims.

    A) Hi-Lo

     play-all | rounds played = 100.00% 
    spread ev/h sd/h ror% n0 di score ekb avb unit kelly
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    1 - 1 -0.317 11.609 100.00 0 0.00 0.00 10000.00 1.000 1.000 0.000
    1 - 2 0.056 15.749 13.53 8007410 0.35 0.12 4456.44 1.280 2.244 1.000
    1 - 3 0.428 20.899 13.53 238370 2.05 4.20 1020.36 1.561 9.800 1.000
    1 - 4 0.728 23.608 13.53 105286 3.08 9.50 766.03 1.677 13.054 1.000
    1 - 5 1.042 27.388 13.53 69046 3.81 14.48 719.65 1.828 13.896 1.000
    1 - 6 1.297 29.964 13.53 53340 4.33 18.75 692.03 1.920 14.450 1.000
    1 - 7 1.557 32.857 13.53 44539 4.74 22.45 693.43 2.024 14.421 1.000
    1 - 8 1.829 36.146 13.53 39067 5.06 25.60 714.43 2.144 13.997 1.000
    1 - 9 2.047 38.477 13.53 35344 5.32 28.29 723.36 2.223 13.824 1.000
    1 - 10 2.267 40.932 13.53 32610 5.54 30.67 739.16 2.306 13.529 1.000
    1 - 11 2.496 43.622 13.53 30538 5.72 32.75 762.31 2.399 13.118 1.000
    1 - 12 2.732 46.464 13.53 28925 5.88 34.57 790.22 2.499 12.655 1.000


    A) Hi-Lo/A

     play-all | rounds played = 100.00% 
    spread ev/h sd/h ror% n0 di score ekb avb unit kelly
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    1 - 1 -0.297 11.607 100.00 0 0.00 0.00 10000.00 1.000 1.000 0.000
    1 - 2 0.085 15.741 13.53 3465923 0.54 0.29 2930.44 1.280 3.412 1.000
    1 - 3 0.467 20.885 13.53 200418 2.23 4.99 934.98 1.561 10.695 1.000
    1 - 4 0.769 23.493 13.53 93220 3.28 10.73 717.27 1.671 13.942 1.000
    1 - 5 1.093 27.333 13.53 62508 4.00 16.00 683.37 1.826 14.633 1.000
    1 - 6 1.350 29.834 13.53 48837 4.53 20.48 659.30 1.916 15.168 1.000
    1 - 7 1.617 32.778 13.53 41088 4.93 24.34 664.41 2.023 15.051 1.000
    1 - 8 1.896 36.090 13.53 36234 5.25 27.60 686.98 2.145 14.557 1.000
    1 - 9 2.131 38.676 13.53 32929 5.51 30.37 701.82 2.236 14.249 1.000
    1 - 10 2.357 41.151 13.53 30494 5.73 32.79 718.60 2.322 13.916 1.000
    1 - 11 2.591 43.856 13.53 28641 5.91 34.92 742.19 2.417 13.474 1.000
    1 - 12 2.833 46.710 13.53 27192 6.06 36.78 770.24 2.518 12.983 1.000


    As you will see the percentage is spread-dependent:

    +--------+---------+ 
    | 1 - 2 | 141.66% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 3 | 18.81% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 4 | 12.95% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 5 | 10.50% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 6 | 9.23% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 7 | 8.42% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 8 | 7.81% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 9 | 7.35% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 10 | 6.91% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 11 | 6.63% |
    +--------+---------+
    | 1 - 12 | 6.39% |
    +--------+---------+


    A black-chipper playing alone and using a 4:1 spread can make an interesting 12.95% over another player using Hi-Lo without an ace-side count.

    Hope this helps.

    Sincerely,
    Cacarulo

  6. #19
    Ian Andersen
    Guest

    Ian Andersen: Thank you. Very interesting. NM *NM*


  7. #20
    Cacarulo
    Guest

    Cacarulo: You're welcome! *NM*


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