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    Paddyboy
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    Paddyboy: five card hand

    If you get paid double on a five card hand what is your edge?
    The game is 2 deck,S17,ENHC,NDAS,Only double 9,10,11.Can hit to split aces

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    Norm Wattenberger
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    Norm Wattenberger: Re: five card hand


    Stanford has an entire chapter on five cards in Pro BJ. But, I don't believe five-card Charlie pays 2:1 is there. I get about .21 EV with CVData. That's BS, no mods. Clearly there can be some improvement with strategy changes.




  3. #3
    PaddyBoy
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    PaddyBoy: Re: five card hand

    > Stanford has an entire chapter on five cards
    > in Pro BJ. But, I don't believe five-card
    > Charlie pays 2:1 is there. I get about .21
    > EV with CVData. That's BS, no mods. Clearly
    > there can be some improvement with strategy
    > changes.

    Yes but this promo is double your winnings,so you have to win the nand first i think wongs is for automatic winner.

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    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: five card hand

    > Yes but this promo is double your
    > winnings,so you have to win the nand first i
    > think wongs is for automatic winner.

    As you may know a 5-card automatic winner is worth 1.4%. Here obviously you must win before
    getting paid. But let's think for a while.
    On average a 5 card holding means you'll be 17 or higher with a good chance of being pat, that's having 20 or 21. Let's assume you'll win roughly your average 43% of your 5-cards holding. But winning this percent and getting paid 2 to 1 is the same as winning 86% of the hands and getting paid 1 to 1.

    Therefore my prediction for this "promo" is:

    .86*1.4% = 1.2%

    Hitting aces after splits yields also a 0.1%

    I'll be mistaken naturally, but this promo looks
    like heaven! Enjoy

    Sincerely
    Z


  5. #5
    Paddyboy
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    Paddyboy: Re: five card hand

    thanks i get the house edge normally to be .4.So with the 1.2% this gives you an edge of .8% starting off.yeah not bad.so with this i could stay at counts of -1 and still have an edge.
    Does wongs books give indices?
    Or maybe i should just flat bet as i have an advantage already.Be stupid to risk getting thrown out on a promo like this

    > As you may know a 5-card automatic winner is
    > worth 1.4%. Here obviously you must win
    > before
    > getting paid. But let's think for a while.
    > On average a 5 card holding means you'll be
    > 17 or higher with a good chance of being
    > pat, that's having 20 or 21. Let's assume
    > you'll win roughly your average 43% of your
    > 5-cards holding. But winning this percent
    > and getting paid 2 to 1 is the same as
    > winning 86% of the hands and getting paid 1
    > to 1.

    > Therefore my prediction for this
    > "promo" is:

    > .86*1.4% = 1.2%

    > Hitting aces after splits yields also a 0.1%

    > I'll be mistaken naturally, but this promo
    > looks
    > like heaven! Enjoy

    > Sincerely
    > Z

  6. #6
    Zenfighter
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    Zenfighter: Re: five card hand

    > thanks i get the house edge normally to be
    > .4.So with the 1.2% this gives you an edge
    > of .8% starting off.yeah not bad.so with
    > this i could stay at counts of -1 and still
    > have an edge.
    > Does wongs books give indices?
    > Or maybe i should just flat bet as i have an
    > advantage already.Be stupid to risk getting
    > thrown out on a promo like this

    Unfortunatelly Wong's PBJ covers the bonus for
    a 5-card 21 pays 2-1. No tables for this "super-
    bonus". By reading these tables you'll learn
    a few tricks, anyway.
    I'll play this game with a max. spread of 1 to 6, letting the winnings ride during the positive counts. Don't be so timid!

    Take care

    Z

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