AsZehn: KO vs Red 7

[Norm Wattenberger]

But are you comparing strategies or tag values? When I think of AOII, I think of a huge number of indexes because that's what the book talks about and that's how most people play it. When I think of KO Preferred, I think of three groups of indexes because that's how it's played. Either could be played differently; but then they wouldn't be AOII and KO. AOII and Canfield Master are two separate strategies in my way of thinking. Even though they have the same tags. Just as HiLo and HiLo Lite are two separate strategies and should be examined separately.

[Don Schlesinger]

> But are you comparing strategies or tag
> values?

I told you -- neither, specifically.

> When I think of AOII, I think of a
> huge number of indexes because that's what
> the book talks about and that's how most
> people play it.

How could you possibly know that? It might be true, but people might use the I18 for simplicity.

I use the RPC with about 175 indices. Do you think everyone who uses Halves or Zen or the RPC does that? Why can't they use those counts and the I18? Or Catch 22? Or 42 indices, if they so choose? Who cares what's in the book?

Wong's hi-lo gives hundreds of indices. Do you suppose most hi-lo players use them, as prescribed by Wong?

> When I think of KO
> Preferred, I think of three groups of
> indexes because that's how it's played.
> Either could be played differently; but then
> they wouldn't be AOII and KO.

Of course they would. The books' indices are just one of dozens of sets of recommendations the authors could have supplied. They don't define the count in any way at all.

You know that I have the greatest respect in the world for you, Norm, but the above simply doesn't make much sense to me at all.

Don

[Norm Wattenberger]

> How could you possibly know that?

I don't know. So in most cases, CVCX canned sims give both I18 & full indexes as published by the author. To me it makes no sense to use indexes that aren't in the book since very few, if any, people will be using the exact indexes that you use in the sims. The problem that I've always had with sims is that people generally sim the perfect case and then can't understand why their results don't match. I'd much rather calculate a betting ramp that is based on what the user is likely to be using, instead of simming a better-than-text-book situation. I also insist on providing different results for Hi-Lo and Hi-Lo Lite. Or for that matter UBZII Single-deck tables and UBZII Composite tables at single deck.

In any case, I supplied a built-in simulator in CVCX so they could sim the indexes they actually use.