# Thread: Hollywood: I HAVE A QUESTION?

1. ## Mister M: Re: Yes

To clarify then.If my ramp calls for a 6 unit bet for example does it negatively impact the ev by just spreading to 2 positions of 3 units.
I find this looks more natural to the pit than only spreading to 2 hands when a max is called for but I do not want expectation or ror to be impacted.
If I understand Kim's post correctly then if I normally would for example bet 12 units at tc+5 this would allow me to bet aprox 18 units if spreading to 2 hands.
Sorry If I am unclear on this.

2. ## MathProf: High Table Minimums

As I understand your situation, you feel that your current betting level is too high for your desired RoR. So you want to reduce your bigger bets.

Now one thing that is done by many players is to simply reduce all the bets. However, in your case this is not a viable option, because the only acceptable games have \$100 minimums.

An alternative is to simply to leave more negative shoes. For Shoe play, you should NEVER play all. You have to use the bathroom sometime, be sure to do it in a negative Shoe. Even getting out of 10% of the negative hands can be a boost to your score.

If I were to play against a high table minimum, I would use a small spread but be more aggressive in leaving negatives.

> Currently, I play in AC at 6 deck game with
> the following rules.
> doa
> das
> split 3 time max
> shoe game

> Currently using KO, I flat bet \$100.00 with
> a maximum bet of \$1000.00. Then finally
> (when i'm playing with other players only) 2
> hands of \$1000.00.

> My question is this.

> With the above conditions, will my result
> still be adequate, if I were to keep the
> same format as above, but I reduce my
> maximum bet to \$500.00. Then eventually 2
> hands of \$500.00 in place of one and two
> hands of \$1000.00.

> Thanks,

> Hollywood

3. ## Kim Lee: You are lowering EV

> If my ramp calls for a 6
> unit bet for example does it negatively
> impact the ev by just spreading to 2
> positions of 3 units?

Your EV is not affected on that round. But you eat more good cards, so you get less rounds in a positive count. This lowers your overall EV. Suppose you spread to 6 spots of 1 unit? Now you would quickly eat up all the good shoes, getting only 3 rounds per positive deck, while slogging through many rounds of bad shoes, getting 10 rounds per negative deck. You can't win playing 3 times as many negative rounds as positive rounds without an enormous spread.

It is a basic principle that you should bet more when you have a bigger advantage or less risk. The expectation (per dollar) is identical with one spot or two. But the risk is lower because you have diversification. Therefore you should bet more.

> If I understand Kim's post correctly then if
> I normally would for example bet 12 units at
> tc+5 this would allow me to bet aprox 18
> units if spreading to 2 hands.

That's right.

4. ## Mister M: Re: You are lowering EV

Thank you for the response Kim.
Can you explain the following?.
What difference does it make to ev / ror if one plays in a high count :6hands over 3 rounds or 6 hands over 6 rounds?

5. ## Don Schlesinger: Re: You are lowering EV

> Thank you for the response Kim.
> Can you explain the following?.
> What difference does it make to ev / ror if
> one plays in a high count :6hands over 3
> rounds or 6 hands over 6 rounds?

Unusual question. When you're done with the six hands over three rounds, what do you plan to do for the next three rounds, while the count is still high?

Don

6. ## Mister M: Re: You are lowering EV

> Unusual question. When you're done with the
> six hands over three rounds, what do you
> plan to do for the next three rounds, while
> the count is still high?

Does not one use up the same amount of cards playing for example 6 hands over 3 rounds as opposed to 6 hands over 6 rounds. I am trying to find out if my usual method of spreading to 2 hands when a bet of more than 1 unit is called for will impact ev or ror.
Are not the same amount of cards up either
way?.
I am not speaking of placing a max bet here , just spreading to 2 of 2 rather than 1 of 4 purely as an example.

Cacarulo,kim, Godfather(Don)Will someone out there respond please?.

> Cacarulo,kim, Godfather(Don)Will someone out

I think that none of us responded because we're going around in circles. We seem to have answered you a couple of times, but, obviously, there is some miscommunication.

If you were going to bet one hand of \$100, but you bet two hands of \$50, instead, you're going to lower your hourly EV, because you're using up more cards to get the same \$100 on the table. We've suggested that you bet two hands of \$75 instead, because now you will increase EV without increasing ROR. The only exception to the latter part of this observation is if you are playing alone, where betting 50% more and using up 50% more cards in the process amounts to, quite literally, playing WITH yourself, as well as BY yourself! :-)

Don

9. ## Kim Lee: Obviously not!

> Does not one use up the same amount of cards
> playing for example 6 hands over 3 rounds as
> opposed to 6 hands over 6 rounds.

Of course not. If you play one spot alone against a dealer then each round consume two hands of (on average) 2.7 cards, or 5.4 cards. In this case 6 rounds will use around 32.4 cards.

If you play 2 spots then each round consumes three hands of 2.7 cards, or 8.1 cards. In this case 3 rounds will use around 24.3 cards. If you do this in a positive shoe then you still have enough cards left for at least one more round.

You must count the cards used by the dealer. Do you understand?

10. ## Mister M: Re: Kim & Don

It is clear (finally!).I had been following the advice in bja p.284 concerning raising the score by the play of two hands in any positive situation.Thank you both for clarifying.

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