ET Fan: Bangers: castles in the sand?

ET Fan · 01-06-2002, 04:14 AM

Clarke Cant is always going on about "banger," by which, I gather, he means tens and aces that have become warped due to thrusting into card readers. Two or three others always chime in as if they know all about this play.

CC isn't allowed on this board, so maybe we can have a reasonable discussion about this. I confess I've never seen a banger. I can't imagine cards getting so warped you can see any difference, unless maybe they spread the cards out for you face down to inspect with a magnifying glass. I've never been in a casino so considerate as this, and in the shoe, the top card is under pressure ... so ... what the #*$&! is he talking about!?

Any opinions? I'm certainly open to nonstandard advantage plays. I'd really be interested to hear from someone who's experienced this, and profited from it.

ETF

Don Schlesinger · 01-06-2002, 08:48 AM

Don

98% · 01-07-2002, 04:47 AM

I do believe this type of play was discussed in one or more of Wong's books. Personally, I think this would be too unreliable to attempt in the modern casino environment. While it is true that some casinos do indeed peek under tens and aces without a device and that some of those same casinos tend to leave cards in play for long periods of time, it is unlikely that attempting to get any real edge out of warp play will only prove frustrating (not that counting isn't frustrating too!). It seems to me that the cards get far more bent in a shuffle than during a peek.

That said, I have never made a real, all-out effort to master this technique. I have experimented with it a bit and dismissed it as a very weak method of advantage play. If there are actually people out there making big cash doing this then more power to them. I'm not one of them.

Now, you could always do something along the lines of bending the aces yourself, but I do believe that is illegal in many places and, as such, is probably not a good idea.

ET Fan · 01-07-2002, 07:03 AM

I had no idea whether the term "bangers" originated with CC, or if it had any history/validity apart from him.

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Jake { :>) · 01-08-2002, 02:06 PM

I believe you are looking for the wrong thing. What happens is that in some types of prism readers the edge of the card get nicked on tthe long edge for one type of card and the short edge for the other.The reason is that the dealer inserts tens and aces differently into the reader to check the down card. Now knowing what to look for it may be useful to see if many are able to discern this pattern. Let's call them "nicks" instead of that awful word ba***rs associated with a certain individual.

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